Author Topic: I just had an epiphany (Read 532 times)

Nash · « **on:** July 31, 2004, 09:29:50 PM »

Well that's not exactly the right word but whatever...

I just saw on the news that there's increased "traffic" wrt an Al Q attack on New York.

And there's been quite a bit of speculation on an attack's effect on this election. But not much has been explored about just what that would be.

So, just for a goof, I'll lay out this somewhat complex scenario and see what some of you would do in response:

You are the current President of the USA.

Al Q just 'sploded a bomb in an NYC tube, smokin' a boatload of people.

What do you do about it?

The gist of my question is... Yer already hunting Al Q, so would you do anything different in response to the attack?

If so, why not that response previous to the attack?

If not, how do you respond to an outraged and hurt people asking for something?

Lastly, how do you think a "we're already doing everything we can" response would play?

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 31, 2004, 09:46:38 PM »

- Implement the draft. When you turn 18, you pick a branch. If you want to go to college, you pick a branch for ROTC.
- Use military forces to end illegal immigration.
- Foreign nationals entering the US legally are cavity searched, x-rayed, fingerprinted, implanted with GPS transponders, etc.
- Legalize overseas assassinations by CIA/Military/OGA.
- If we find that a foreign government was involved, nuke their capitol.

Lizking · « **Reply #2 on:** July 31, 2004, 09:54:10 PM »

I am close to Funky, but all my draftees are on the border, and I will refrain from nukes. Iran, Syria and North Korea get one last warning, and France and Germany get one more invitation.

Nash · « **Reply #3 on:** July 31, 2004, 10:00:25 PM »

Cool, but...

- Implement the draft.

And send these guys, where?

Use military forces to end illegal immigration.

How?

Foreign nationals entering the US legally are cavity searched, x-rayed, fingerprinted, implanted with GPS transponders, etc.

How much income does tourism generate, let alone international business? Kiss it goodbye.

Legalize overseas assassinations by CIA/Military/OGA.

I'm down with that. But what's the target? Yer ALREADY trying to assasinate the butterers.

If we find that a foreign government was involved, nuke their capitol.

I guess it depends on the degree of involvement. Seems like nobody really hosts these guys. And that you won't catch any country red handed. But you can find involvement to a certain degree, such as Iran letting the 9/11 guys travel through it. Does that mean your response to 9/11 woulda been nuking Iran?

Lizking · « **Reply #4 on:** July 31, 2004, 10:04:49 PM »

Most of the tourism in the US is internal.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 31, 2004, 10:05:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Cool, but...

- Implement the draft.

And send these guys, where?

Use military forces to end illegal immigration.

How?

Foreign nationals entering the US legally are cavity searched, x-rayed, fingerprinted, implanted with GPS transponders, etc.

How much income does tourism generate, let alone international business? Kiss it goodbye.

Legalize overseas assassinations by CIA/Military/OGA.

I'm down with that. But what's the target? Yer ALREADY trying to assasinate the butterers.

If we find that a foreign government was involved, nuke their capitol.

I guess it depends on the degree of involvement. Seems like nobody really hosts these guys. And that you won't catch any country red handed. But you can find involvement to a certain degree, such as Iran letting the 9/11 guys travel through it. Does that mean your response to 9/11 woulda been nuking Iran?

The draft eliminates the "we're already doing everything we can excuse." Send them to the borders or use them to kill the enemy.

Do I have to explain to you how a military force could defend borders?

Assassinations - there is still an executive order in effect banning assassinations. I'm talking Mossad-style dude.

The nuke part assumes the bomb in NYC was a nuke.

Tourism - who ****in' cares. If they really want to come here they will help us out. If they are innocent they have nothing to fear.

Arlo · « **Reply #6 on:** July 31, 2004, 10:07:25 PM »

And send these guys, where?

New York City!

How?

Automatic weapons ... lots of ammo!

How much income does tourism generate, let alone international business? Kiss it goodbye.

We have Disneyland! More local jobs! Woohoo!

I'm down with that. But what's the target? Yer ALREADY trying to assasinate the butterers.

Try harder, dammit!

I guess it depends on the degree of involvement. Seems like nobody really hosts these guys. And that you won't catch any country red handed. But you can find involvement to a certain degree, such as Iran letting the 9/11 guys travel through it. Does that mean your response to 9/11 woulda been nuking Iran?

Certain degree is good nuff. Boom! Don't mess with us, man. We're crazy nuke-carryin cowboys!

Nash · « **Reply #7 on:** July 31, 2004, 10:09:38 PM »

I think the way I framed the question is gonna put this off track....

I'm thinking realistically about the effect of an attack.

Okay yes, you would try for some response.

But the people's respnse would be.... "What, was 9/11 a dry run for an effective response to Al Q?"

"You knew what they were capable of, had intell saying an attack is basically immenent, and NOW you're gonna do something about it?"

Sure you would come up with some heightened response to the new attack, but how would you explain why these things weren't already in place to prevent all this new loss of life?

I just think it's a real pickle, if an attack happens.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 31, 2004, 10:34:08 PM »

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How would you explain why these things weren't already in place to prevent all this new loss of life?

Insufficient Motivation

Outside of Afghanistan and Gitmo it's been a pretty half-assed response. Another attack would give the opponents of serious anti-terrorism efforts a big mug of STFU. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

Dago · « **Reply #9 on:** August 01, 2004, 12:20:54 AM »

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If not, how do you respond to an outraged and hurt people asking for something?

Nuke Montreal for a start.

dago

Nash · « **Reply #10 on:** August 01, 2004, 12:23:42 AM »

Woot fun on a Saturday night. You slay yerself yer so funny. I'm picturing you on the floor in the fetal position..... right?

rpm · « **Reply #11 on:** August 01, 2004, 12:45:23 AM »

An Al-Q attack now could send things either way. It would depend on how/where/when it happened and how it is played by the media.

My worst case scenario :
Public rallys around ultra-conservative political platform. Draft is implemented and a constitutional amendment to allow overt military operations against civilians on US soil via DHD. (you know, for the kids)

SOB · « **Reply #12 on:** August 01, 2004, 12:53:58 AM »

Nuke NYC, deny deny deny, then blame Clinton for starting a top secret nuclear lab under NYC while he was president and that you didn't know about it and explain that this lab had a meltdown, causing the explosion. The Nuke covers up any evidence of the Al Quaeda attack, the Clintons will be dead so they won't be able to deny it - plus millions of conservatives will be too ecstatic to question anything else, and you'll no longer have to see "The Donald" on TV.

NUKE · « **Reply #13 on:** August 01, 2004, 01:23:15 AM »

For one:

Seal the freaken borders, place all immigration on hold and round up all illegal immigrants once and for all and ship them home or detain them if they cannont be shipped home.

Furious · « **Reply #14 on:** August 01, 2004, 01:54:19 AM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
...Another attack would give the opponents of serious anti-terrorism efforts a big mug of STFU...

Whom are the opponents of "serious" anti-terrorism? I certainly cannot think of any rational person being against it.

...and how would any of the above measures have stopped ol' timothy?