I think I've made my decision.....

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by ra
The proper recourse would be to stop watching Michael Moore films.

Are you suggesting that this scenario is ludicrous?

-- Todd/Leviathn

[ra]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Are you suggesting that this scenario is ludicrous?

-- Todd/Leviathn

Yes.  I assume you are implying that my example is ludicrous.  It is not, just maybe a bit colorful.  I didn't want to bore you.  But the fact is under Libertarian government there can be no such thing as community standards or public decency.  So long as you are not violating someone else's basic rights, you can do what you like.  That kind of minimalism sounds good but it is not realistic.  I would love to see a small nation experiment with Libertarian government.  It would probably last about a month.

ra

[Skuzzy]

Why not a vote of "no confidence"?

I thought the idea of a vote was to use it to select who you thought would be the best leader.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by ra
Yes.  I assume you are implying that my example is ludicrous.  It is not, just maybe a bit colorful.

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Of course it's ludicrous, and it's every bit as ludicrous as my example.  

I would love to see a small nation experiment with Libertarian government.  It would probably last about a month.

I'm not a libertarian, so you don't have to convince me.  But I do know hyperbole when I see it.  We can all think up colorful and imaginative examples to make our points, but that doesn't make them real or valid.  I can dream up examples to challenge the validity of any form of government, and they'll all seem equally as ludicrous as yours or mine.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[TweetyBird]

The libertarian nominee for president is Michael Badnarik. Just don''t want you pulling the wrong lever or anything

"Badnarik said the war in Iraq was unconstitutional because Congress never declared war and unjustified because the Iraqi people weren’t responsible for the Sep. 11 terrorist attacks."

Watch out for that sky, Toad - he sounds like a lefty  

[Toad]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
Why not a vote of "no confidence"?

I thought the idea of a vote was to use it to select who you thought would be the best leader.

Because that's not an option?

Kerry is far too liberal for my taste. Further, the entire plan so far has been for Kerry to present a "centrist" or "middle of the road" appearance which clearly is a major "makeover" for him. In short, I suspect this "makeover" is quite insincere and designed only to get him into 1600 Pennsylvania where he can then resume his "true self", the one that is the most liberal Senator.

As for Bush, I'd vote for him just on the Supreme Court issue. However, I also feel that there has to be responsibility and accountability. We collectively let the last President off the hook on that aspect of the office. I think it'd be a huge mistake to continue down that road.

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Etch, unlike an asteroid heading square at Gotham City or the incredible threat of THE CHINESE USING UP ALL THE WORLDS NATURAL RESOURCES TODAY!!!!!! ARGGGH!!!!!!!,  I can have a teeny-tiny bit of influence in the upcoming election some 3+ months away. An influence that a lot of folks died to preserve, one I served to protect. I'm going to exercise that right/influence.

And be willing to discuss it. As soon as I decide what to do about this antibiotic-resistant bacteria that's creeping up on the world population even as we spe

[MrCoffee]

I have a question. Has a libertarian ever won the presidential elections?

[streakeagle]

Originally posted by ra
Under Libertarian government most ordinances restricting private behavior on private property would be eliminated.   So long as a person's behavior doesn't interfere with your basic rights to life and property, the government can't get involved.  

ra

I absolutely 100% support that concept.

I grew up living in neighborhoods where you pretty much had the right to do whatever you wanted in your own yard. It's not pretty if the neighbor destroys his property with possible consequences to your own property values.

I now (for the moment) own a home in a deed-restricted community. Despite having a huge back yard that almost no one can see, I am not supposed to do anything with it beyond an approved fence. Tool sheds, regardless of size or quality, are specifically forbidden. I didn't get a two-car garage so I could use half of it storing lawn care tools, etc. My only alternative is to pay a service to do my yard for me. When I make enough to afford a kid and a maid, then I might consider a lawn service as well.

I have also lived in Navy barracks for many years.

Libertarian policies on individual freedoms are exactly what I want.

Unfortunately, some people think I will be happier if laws are passed to protect me from my fellow citizens by taking both of our freedoms/rights.

Everybody could live equally well and be equally safe with equal jobs if the government locked us all up in maximum security prisons and made us smash rocks in return for government contractor food and water. That is pretty much what it will be like for me if the socialists (dems) and federalists (reps) continue to empower our federal government with far more responsibilities than were needed or intended by the founding fathers.

Given the two-party system, I take the reps over the dems though

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Toad
Barring unimaginable revelations/occurances in the present race, I'll probably vote Libertarian.

Toad, if only we had a strong truely Libertarian party here - I'll probably vote for them too.

Unfortunately, I can't see it. So I'll probably vote for Communists at the next elections. They are the only organised power that can oppose our beloved Kremlin dreamers ((C) H.G. Welles). You can call it a protest vote...

[ra]

Of course it's ludicrous, and it's every bit as ludicrous as my example.

No, my example is not ludicrous in the least.  Do you think there are no people who would be indecent (non-libertarian word) in view of their neighbors if there were no ordinances against it?  

You don't want to discuss Libertarianism, and that is fine.  But comparing my scenario to your baby-eating Republican corporation is just a dodge.

ra

[Toad]

Nope, not even close.

LIBERTARIAN PARTY HISTORY

So, it is clearly a "protest vote".

So, vote for tweedledum or tweedledummer; unless you want to make a protest vote.

[ra]

I now (for the moment) own a home in a deed-restricted community. Despite having a huge back yard that almost no one can see, I am not supposed to do anything with it beyond an approved fence. Tool sheds, regardless of size or quality, are specifically forbidden. I didn't get a two-car garage so I could use half of it storing lawn care tools, etc. My only alternative is to pay a service to do my yard for me. When I make enough to afford a kid and a maid, then I might consider a lawn service as well.

You voluntary moved into that neighborhood and bought the house knowing (presumably) about the restrictions.  Even a libertairian government couldn't help you here.

ra

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by ra
No, my example is not ludicrous in the least.  Do you think there are no people who would be indecent (non-libertarian word) in view of their neighbors if there were no ordinances against it?

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Do you think that no corporation would engage in horrible, unethical business practices and tax evasion if the laws allowed it?

You don't want to discuss Libertarianism, and that is fine.  But comparing my scenario to your baby-eating Republican corporation is just a dodge.

A dodge from what?  You're discussing libertarianism, and I'm discussing the silliness of your example.  I don't see how I'm dodging anything.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[ra]

A dodge from what? You're discussing libertarianism, and I'm discussing the silliness of your example. I don't see how I'm dodging anything.

Then tell me exactly what is silly about my example.  How can you say the example is silly if you don't see how it pertains to libertarianism?  What form of government would allow your baby-eating corporation example?   Libertarian government would be forced to allow my front-yard orgy example.

[Dago]

Good, one less chance of someone voting for Kerry.


dago