Author Topic: I think I've made my decision..... (Read 1706 times)

oboe · « **Reply #30 on:** August 02, 2004, 02:27:13 PM »

If memory serves, Libertarians do not believe in publicly funded or provided education - they are for private education all the way. I have voted Lib in the past (as a protest vote) but the more I learned about them, I decided they were too far rightwing.

Thomas Jefferson felt strongly about the importance of public education to the helath of democracy. Makes sense to me, but don't take that as a polly anna endorsement of the current state of public education.

Nothing wrong in my book with a protest vote - the only wasted vote is the uncast one.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #31 on:** August 02, 2004, 02:28:43 PM »

>>Etch, unlike an asteroid heading square at Gotham City or the incredible threat of THE CHINESE USING UP ALL THE WORLDS NATURAL RESOURCES TODAY!!!!!! ARGGGH!!!!!!!, I can have a teeny-tiny bit of influence in the upcoming election some 3+ months away. An influence that a lot of folks died to preserve, one I served to protect. I'm going to exercise that right/influence.

And be willing to discuss it. As soon as I decide what to do about this antibiotic-resistant bacteria that's creeping up on the world population even as we spe<<

No need to be shrill. I simply stated Badnarik's view of the war

What, you disaprove of it? Why don't you mail him your "chicken little" manifesto:aok

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #32 on:** August 02, 2004, 02:34:40 PM »

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What form of government would allow your baby-eating corporation example? Libertarian government would be forced to allow my front-yard orgy example.

I know what forms of government wouldn't allow it. I also know that your front-yard orgy example goes beyond ludicrous. Why not have a front-yard sacrificial altar? After all, Mayans used to consider it an honor to sacrifice themselves to the Gods; they'd play team sports, and the leader of the winning team earned the honor of ritualistic sacrifice.

The gory sacrifice would be done with all participants in agreement, thus it would not violate basic tenets of libertarianism. And it would be right there in the front yard for all the kids to see.

Silly libertarians. You can put up a fence, but can you keep out the horrifying screams of the sacrificed?

-- Todd/Leviathn

ra · « **Reply #33 on:** August 02, 2004, 02:39:43 PM »

You still haven't told me what is silly about my example. Now you've gone to the Mayans.

MrCoffee · « **Reply #34 on:** August 02, 2004, 02:42:49 PM »

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>>Etch, unlike an asteroid heading square at Gotham City or the incredible threat of THE CHINESE USING UP ALL THE WORLDS NATURAL RESOURCES TODAY!!!!!! ARGGGH!!!!!!!, I can have a teeny-tiny bit of influence in the upcoming election some 3+ months away. An influence that a lot of folks died to preserve, one I served to protect. I'm going to exercise that right/influence.

Thats funny and brings up a good point. How efficient do their manufacturing plants and companies have to run compared to companies in the US. I dont hear much about these sorts of things from the current administration. What I do hear is them saying that given a fair playing field etc... But the world is not a fair playing field at the moment. Not unless you actually make administrative efforts to make it so. Its comprised of mixed economies and social/class societies with vastly different mental viewpoints and agendas.

JBA · « **Reply #35 on:** August 02, 2004, 02:43:13 PM »

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Hmmm I am thinking of getting one of those BBQs that have a side firebox, and a chimeney on the otherside and look kinda like a 55 galon drum? Are those good?
Like this one?

I think I want one also.

streakeagle · « **Reply #36 on:** August 02, 2004, 02:44:54 PM »

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You voluntary moved into that neighborhood and bought the house knowing (presumably) about the restrictions. Even a libertairian government couldn't help you here.

ra

Because to own a decent home I need a job. The home has to be reasonably close to the decent job. Nearly every home sold here in the last 20 years has been deed restricted because people more concerned about property values are building/selling/buying homes than people who appreciate having their own freedom. These same people always take security over freedom and apparently outnumber people that disagree. Otherwise, politicians that keep taking away more and more of our freedoms and rights wouldn't keep getting elected.

When guns are ultimately banned (as I am sure they one day will be), that will be the signal to me that the U.S. is no longer the country I was born in. If this happens in my lifetime, I will be facing some tough decisions. Will I be prepared to make my family suffer the consequences for strongly disagreeing with my government?

What country could I move to? I don't know of any with more freedom than I have now and isn't moving in the same poltical direction.

What alternatives do I have to moving?

I love the mythical country I was raised to believe in. I would love to see it become a reality instead of watching the whole idea slowly fading away. The founding fathers were less than perfect. But their basic beliefs were clear and they put their lives on the line to defend them. I put my life on the line to defend the Bill Clinton administration. It makes me sick to my stomach.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #37 on:** August 02, 2004, 02:49:06 PM »

Well, I'd argue if there is one thing the US doesn't want, is a level playing field. But I'm no longer in the mood to argue politics. Seems a little silly at the moment.

Toad · « **Reply #38 on:** August 02, 2004, 02:49:14 PM »

Awright you BBQ hijackers!

I'll start another thread for you that shows you "the way". As it appeared to me in a dream about Badnarik's view of the war which led to my BBQing of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. Fourtunately, I was able to expense my BBQ setup due to this concept.

Now, should I write in Chief the Labrador or support the only US 3rd party to ever be on the ballot in all 50 states in two consecutive Presidential elections?

ra · « **Reply #39 on:** August 02, 2004, 02:51:48 PM »

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Because to own a decent home I need a job. The home has to be reasonably close to the decent job.

Nevertheless, you weren't forced into anything. And the government wasn't involved in any way.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #40 on:** August 02, 2004, 03:04:27 PM »

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You still haven't told me what is silly about my example. Now you've gone to the Mayans.

Your example is as silly as the Mayan one. It has no basis in reality. It is beyond the worst possible case and only feasible in your mind.

-- Todd/Leviathn

fd ski · « **Reply #41 on:** August 02, 2004, 03:42:20 PM »

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Hmmmm. Let's say a group of homos move into the house across the street and start having daily Maplethorpian orgies on their front lawn in full view of your kids. What recourse would you have under a Libertarian government?

ra

You live across the street from a guy who knows better then you do how you should live your life, and he can force you to live it his way too.

What recourse do you have when Ashcroft shows up ?