Kerry's answer to Iran: Give them nuclear fuel

[Ripsnort]

Sounds alittle Clintonisque, if anyone here is old enough to remember North Korea in roughly 1994...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5570503/site/newsweek/


First, Kerry will defer to the judgment of the United Nations.

Second, he will somehow magically secure nuclear materials in the former Soviet Union.

And third ... Kerry’s going to give Iran nuclear fuel.


Quote:

(Kerry) has proposed that rather than letting the British, the French and the Germans do this themselves, that we together call the bluff of the Iranian government, which claims that its only need is energy. And we say to them: “Fine, we will provide you the fuel that you need if Russia fails to provide it.”  

[ra]

You just don't understand the nuances.

[Dinger]

A) does "fuel" there mean necessarily nuclear fuel?
B) securing nuclear materials in the former soviet union isn't difficult; it just costs a little money.
C) It's not that costly to track nuclear materials if you control the importation. So if the US gave nuclear fuel to Iran, they could very simply track where it goes, as well as other matters, such as what's lining the reactors.
D) It is calling a bluff. The point is that Iran is not interested in nuclear energy and therefore wouldn't agree to receive it with controls in place to ensure its use for energy generation.
E) As gun nuts and anti-drug law folks know, criminalization means surrendering control over the market. So too here. Any determined state can acquire sufficient fissile material to make a bomb, but you really can't bust them for it unless you have undeniable proof (not some cheap forgery). One way to get there is to eliminate "legitimate" excuses.

Come on, if politicians can create clever excuses for the Republican looting of the public coffers, they'd develop a better screen for the alleged arming of Hostile Theocracies with nuclear weapons.

[B17Skull12]

lol this guys is a moron.Obama or whatever would do 10x a betterjob than he ever would.

[GRUNHERZ]

I hear Iran just loves Jews with adopted Irish names! Kerry will be a hit Tehran!

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Dinger
A) does "fuel" there mean necessarily nuclear fuel?
B) securing nuclear materials in the former soviet union isn't difficult; it just costs a little money.
C) It's not that costly to track nuclear materials if you control the importation. So if the US gave nuclear fuel to Iran, they could very simply track where it goes, as well as other matters, such as what's lining the reactors.
D) It is calling a bluff. The point is that Iran is not interested in nuclear energy and therefore wouldn't agree to receive it with controls in place to ensure its use for energy generation.
E) As gun nuts and anti-drug law folks know, criminalization means surrendering control over the market. So too here. Any determined state can acquire sufficient fissile material to make a bomb, but you really can't bust them for it unless you have undeniable proof (not some cheap forgery). One way to get there is to eliminate "legitimate" excuses.

Come on, if politicians can create clever excuses for the Republican looting of the public coffers, they'd develop a better screen for the alleged arming of Hostile Theocracies with nuclear weapons.

Dinger:
Re: A)
The conversation is in the context of Nuclear Fuel.

Kerry speaks of Fuel in context.

Iran certainly doesn't need oil.

[Toad]

Let's cut to the chase and just give them a couple dozen nukes. Either ours or Russian ones.

In fact, nukes for all!

What could possibly go wrong?

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Toad
Let's cut to the chase and just give them a couple dozen nukes. Either ours or Russian ones.

In fact, nukes for all!

What could possibly go wrong?

Lets ask Bill ! We gave North Korea nuclear plants with a promise that they wouldn't process any nuclear weapons fuel!

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0206-01.htm

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by B17Skull12
lol this guys is a moron.Obama or whatever would do 10x a betterjob than he ever would.

Why? Because he gave a good speech?  I was impressed with how eloquently Barack Obama spoke and with what he said, but we havent seen his track record yet in comparsion to speech..

[Eagler]

anyone else see skerry so fired up today he was spitting all over his microphone??

LOL -  too funny

Landslide Bush!!!

[Horn]

Originally posted by Ripsnort


First, Kerry will defer to the judgment of the United Nations.

Second, he will somehow magically secure nuclear materials in the former Soviet Union.

And third ... Kerry’s going to give Iran nuclear fuel.


Quote:

"John Kerry regards an Iran as a state sponsor of terrorism armed with nuclear weapons as unacceptable. He has a multiple-part strategy that is much more realistic than the Bush administration's. One is to rejoin and work through the international legal framework on arms control. That will give greater force to the major powers if they have to deal with violators. Secondly, he has laid out, I think in the most comprehensive way in modern memory, a program to secure nuclear materials around the world—particularly in the former Soviet Union but also in the places where research reactors have existed that could be susceptible to proliferation. The point is to try to prevent Iran from ever getting this material surreptitiously. Thirdly, he has proposed that rather than letting the British, the French and the Germans do this themselves, that we together call the bluff of the Iranian government, which claims that its only need is energy. And we say to them: "Fine, we will provide you the fuel that you need if Russia fails to provide it." Participating in such a diplomatic initiative makes it more likely to succeed. "

Nice--take a quote out of context much?

Is the "international legal framework on arms control" the UN? Was there a single word about deferring judgement?

Are you so uninformed that you do not know that nuclear material can be identified by manufactured location, batch, even to the specific reactor? Have you heard of the IAEA? The NPT of 1968? Wait, of course you are.

Fuel for creating electricity is different than that for weapons.
http://www.fact-index.com/n/nu/nuclear_proliferation.html

Vote the issues indeed.

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[vorticon]

Originally posted by Toad
Let's cut to the chase and just give them a couple dozen nukes. Either ours or Russian ones.

In fact, nukes for all!

What could possibly go wrong?

and m-16's for all the citizens of america while were at it...

[B17Skull12]

hum lets see.  Kerry can't count to 5
Obama can do better i bet.

[rpm]

No, no, no. You don't understand. The world will come to an end if Bush is not elected. We must twist every bit of information into misinformation and scare people like our glorious leader so they will only vote republican.

[Thrawn]

Don't mind Rip, he's just a liar.  But hey at least he's consistant about it.