Originally posted by bustr
What happened?
Last night I upped a P47D-11, shot down one 109, landed and noticed my points.
9.28 for a 109?????
Since when did that big green sheep cruncher become a perk farmer???? I checked and it's ENY is now 40??? Temps are 42 points, TA-152 are 27???? what gives???
Confused Sheep Cruncher
From Pyro's Developer Notes:
"When the new tour begins, look for some changes in plane ratings. ENY values will be updated and a few rarely used perk planes will probably see a price reduction."
COPIED These Posts From A Similiar Thread Started Last Night:Everyone is going to have their subjective opinion of the comparative value of one plane to another. I imagine the values they come up with will be based on the mass of 3 years of data on them that has been accumulating. It's not important what we think a plane should be. The values are being changed to create a MA environment that more closely resembles HiTech's ideal. Just trust his judgement and keep the pissin' and moanin' to a dull roar.
Originally posted by Grits
Sounds like they started tweeking eh? I would guess the F4U-4, Spit 14, and Ta152 will all be lower cost.
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F4u4-35 perks
Spit14-45 perks
Ta152-20 perks
Tempest-50 perks
262-200
F4u1-C-10 perks
Me163-50 perks
Ar234-60 perks
Incidentally, although the Lgay7 was not perked, much to my personal chagrin. It's ENY value was lowered to 5 the same as the 262, basically an admission that is a perk quality plane. Comforting to know that exclusive Lgay7 drivers will only earn enough perks to fly a 262 once every 83,000 years or 4 million kills whichever comes first.
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
Close but backwards, one earns as few points killing with an La7 as one does killing with a 262.
Misfit, regarding the "aint broke" thing...I beleive as many others do that it wasn't broken as in completely wrong but id did need some tweaking.
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Actually he is correct, here is the perk formula cut n' pasted from the help file....
"With the values listed above, if you are flying the P-51D (ENY value of 18) and you score a kill on a Panzer (ENY value of 15), you would receive (18/15) = 1.20 fighter perk points. "
So, in fact he was correct, we will receive exactly the same number of perks for killing an Lgay7 as we would for killing a 262. For example, say I am in Typhoon with an ENY value of 20 and kill an Lgay7 with an ENY value of 5...
I would get 20/5=4 fighter perks for that Lgay7.
Just for fun, let's now say I am in the newly adjusted P40B with an ENY value of 60 and kill an Lgay7 with its ENY value of 5.
I would get 60/5=12 fighter perks for that single Lgay7 kill! That's enough for a free C-Hog with ONE Lgay7 kill!
Factor these revised ENY values in with generally lower perk plane costs and well...Let's just say I'm going to get alot more trigger time in my Tempest!
LGay7 hunting season is officially OPEN!!!
I have always gone out of my way to kill Lgay7s just on principle, now, thanks to the re-balancing of the ENY value system I can continue to do so and be rewarded handsomely for my efforts, Thanks HTC!
Also, contrary to popular myth, the arena is just chock full of non-newbies who fly the Lgay7 religiously. Just check the statisitics of some of the Top 100 Fighter pilots last tour. A very healthy portion of them fly the majority of their fighter sorties in the Lgay7.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Karnak
Sample ENY Values:
La-7: 5
Me262A: 5
P-51D: 6
N1K2-J: 7
Spitfire Mk XIV: 7
Spitfire Mk IX: 8
F4U-1C: 10
P-38L: 15
Spitfire Mk Vb: 15
Fw190D-9: 18
Bf109G-10: 20
Typhoon Mk Ib: 20
Ki-61-I-Tei: 40
P-40B: 60
And it will make no difference at all.
As long as perk points are useless for anything over an F4U-1C and shy of an Me262 (and the occasional Me163) they will not be an incentive.
I've said it before and it remains true. Being artificially gangbanged is not a reward.
Look at the F4U-1C. It is controled by it's 12 point perk price, yet is still used because it doesn't come with a neon "Hey everybody, come kill me!!!" icon like the others do.
I simply do not understand why HiTech sees it as so important for perk planes to be hunted when most of them have very marginal performance advantages or only advantages as an overall package that are easily wiped away by simple numbers. Too many perk planes are slower than common free aircraft to make them at all desirable to fly when coupled with the fact that you know enemy in the area will recklessly try to kill you.
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I kind of disagree, but we'll have to wait and see how things play out to determine if my rationale is correct. I disagree on the basis of economics, perk economics. With ENY values increased for most early/mid-war planes, decreased for late-war planes and perk plane costs decreased across the board except for the overly popular C-hog and 262 something interesting will likely happen.
What I think will happen is alot of people will fly the more mediocre perk planes such as the Tempest, F4u4, and Spit14. Due to the fact most of the late-war rides have ENY values at or close to perk planes they will be the targets of choice for perk planes and the average pilot as they are worth alot of perks per kill. Compound this with the increased reward for flying early/mid-war rides and you can see that a trend will be forming. You will see alot more early/mid-war rides, alot less late-war rides and alot more mediocre perk planes. I believe HTC is thinking along these lines as well.
The gang-bang the perk plane phenomena is true to a point. But, if your average 25 on 25 furball for a base now has 5 of these mediocre perk planes involved on each side the ability for anyone to give any one perk plane an inordinate amount of attention is decreased greatly. The gang-bang phenomena occurs primarily because the mediocre perk planes are a rare sight indeed, a novelty. Killing them is a matter of pride and a badge of honor. If, however, they are a 1 in 10 sighting rather than a 1 in 100 sighting and worth no more than an Lgay7, Niki, Spit9 or P51D per kill the novelty of killing them will quickly wear off.
Zazen
