Author Topic: Cannon Differences? (Read 419 times)

Howitzer · « **on:** August 04, 2004, 12:01:40 PM »

Please take note before I start, this isn't a gripe, just looking for feedback from others to satisfy my curiousity.

Some history: I never flew la7/la5s much in ah1, nor 205s. However I did fly quite a few LW and British rides. My "measuring stick" for assessing damage was that 4 pings from hispanos brought down any fighter in the sky.

I'm now trying to learn the la5, and one night took a dweeb pill and flew a n1k

and I notice a major difference when counting the number of cannon pings on a plane originating from these planes as opposed to those carrying hispanos. Last night I was in an la5, and I had 4 hit sprites from right on top of a pony at about d300. 2 were between the right side of the canopy and the right wing, the other two were right behind the canopy, and all I saw was an aileron fall off

I would have to think that if I were firing hispanos, that plane would've broken apart.

Does anyone have any sort of opinion/reference historical or personal (in game) to the damage certain cannon models do? I just can't fathom 4 pings from 20mm explosive rounds not blowing a plane to pieces.

Thanks to anyone who can help, or even contribute to a discussion.

--Mike/Howitzer

Mak333 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 04, 2004, 12:18:57 PM »

HTC hasn't completed the damage model I do not think. Aswell as the flight model. I heard something a while ago about there being many more "parts" and "pieces" (mainly to the wings) than there currently is. I heard it was going to be a massive change from 4 parts to as many as 16?? I could be wrong. The 4 parts would include the Aileron, Flap, Wing tips, and then ofcourse your whole damn side falling off.

If they are going to make the game more realisticly as they have done with the gunnery and terrain and other such things, they should make the plane fall apart realistically too.

If you want to see more of that, try IL2 FB - that gets you right down to each bullet hitting the wings/tail/fuselage and making the plane react differently to each hit. The holes would cause drag and unstable conditions while maneuvering the plane. You can also take off just about any piece you wanted or can imagine, off the planes in IL2 FB.

Then again, IL2 FB doesnt have a massive multiplayer now does it...

SlapShot · « **Reply #2 on:** August 04, 2004, 12:29:06 PM »

The La-5 carrys the 20mm ShVAK cannon, not the Hispano cannon.

I believe that Tilt could probably shed more light on comparing the damage aspects when comparing the ShVAK to the Hispano.

Dextry · « **Reply #3 on:** August 04, 2004, 12:31:27 PM »

From my experience in AH1 Hispanos seemed to be alot more powerful then any other 20mm, striking only a few hits and the plane was broken up. Now I admit to flying the La5 and yes you would have to really hit a plane good to take it down, not to mention you have to be close for them to do good damage.This is just from what I've seen in AH1 it may have changed in AH2.

SlapShot · « **Reply #4 on:** August 04, 2004, 12:33:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Mak333
HTC hasn't completed the damage model I do not think. Aswell as the flight model. I heard something a while ago about there being many more "parts" and "pieces" (mainly to the wings) than there currently is. I heard it was going to be a massive change from 4 parts to as many as 16?? I could be wrong. The 4 parts would include the Aileron, Flap, Wing tips, and then ofcourse your whole damn side falling off.

If they are going to make the game more realisticly as they have done with the gunnery and terrain and other such things, they should make the plane fall apart realistically too.

If you want to see more of that, try IL2 FB - that gets you right down to each bullet hitting the wings/tail/fuselage and making the plane react differently to each hit. The holes would cause drag and unstable conditions while maneuvering the plane. You can also take off just about any piece you wanted or can imagine, off the planes in IL2 FB.

Then again, IL2 FB doesnt have a massive multiplayer now does it...

Mak ... I believe that the 4 to 16 points on the wing are used mainly for the Flight Model and are not associated with the Damage Model.

HT now has 16 points of reference across each wing. With that amount of input, the Flight Model is now 4 times more sensitive than it was before, resulting in a better and more realistic Flight Model.

Thats my understanding ... I could be wrong.

Howitzer · « **Reply #5 on:** August 04, 2004, 12:49:50 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
The La-5 carrys the 20mm ShVAK cannon, not the Hispano cannon.

I believe that Tilt could probably shed more light on comparing the damage aspects when comparing the ShVAK to the Hispano.

Slap,

Yeah I know they are different cannons, and you are correct when you mentioned that I was probably looking for the differences. There was a thread a while back showing some photos of a german 30mm explosive round hitting the fuselage of some british bomber (I think, looked pretty big) and the hole that it left was gigantic to say the least. I just have to think that 2 20mm rounds on the root of the wing on any plane would have to shear it off unless they passed through without exploding.

--Mike/Howitzer

SlapShot · « **Reply #6 on:** August 04, 2004, 01:29:16 PM »

One would think Howitzer.

The thing that I have accepted, probably because I am a software developer myself, is that there are so many things going on inside the AH code, that the chances of anomolies are very high and there is really nothing that can be done about it.

I accept them and it seems to make the game that much more bearable and understandable when things like that happen. I can't tell you how many time I have lit planes up from nose to tail in a scissors (with cannons) and the plane keeps on flying without consequence. I say "wtf" for a micro-second and then get on with it.

Some things just can't be explained ...

Howitzer · « **Reply #7 on:** August 04, 2004, 01:46:52 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
One would think Howitzer.

The thing that I have accepted, probably because I am a software developer myself, is that there are so many things going on inside the AH code, that the chances of anomolies are very high and there is really nothing that can be done about it...
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LOL, me too. My title is software engineer, but I'm more of a tester, which is why I guess I'm so inquisitive about these things =)

Mak333 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 04, 2004, 01:59:02 PM »

Thanks for clearing that up SlapShot, I think you are probably right.

Furious · « **Reply #9 on:** August 04, 2004, 02:00:10 PM »

the la5 is flown only by the biggest of dweebs.

SlapShot · « **Reply #10 on:** August 04, 2004, 02:08:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Furious
the la5 is flown only by the biggest of dweebs.

And YOU are at the front of the line pal.

mars01 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 04, 2004, 02:11:00 PM »

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the la5 is flown only by the biggest of dweebs.

That's it! Lock it Up!:D

bustr · « **Reply #12 on:** August 04, 2004, 04:08:44 PM »

Howitzer,

LA5 and LA7,, dont pull the trigger untill d200. Set your convergence to about 225-250. Soviet cannons are not as accurate as brit or german. Just means you gotta get good at gettin close with the Lavochkin's.

Dueled with a squad mate last night. Me la5, him la7. Five times in a row, at d200, aimed for the wing root, wing came off. Snap shots have to be close also. Just get really close.

Fruda · « **Reply #13 on:** August 04, 2004, 04:15:12 PM »

The La-5's cannons have below average ballistics. Every time I fly it, it's rather difficult to get good hits on other planes. It is far from being a dweeb ride.

Howitzer · « **Reply #14 on:** August 04, 2004, 04:19:17 PM »

I'm seeing the hits... just not the damage