Author Topic: New TV add from Kerrys "brothers in arms" (Read 906 times)

Ripsnort · « **Reply #15 on:** August 05, 2004, 08:42:38 AM »

"Shove it!"
"They want 4 more years of HELL!"

Coolridr · « **Reply #16 on:** August 05, 2004, 10:31:47 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
LOL! Lies!

Are they Lies because they contradict what you believe?

Then with that mentality,

To me it's the truth because it agrees with what I believe.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #17 on:** August 05, 2004, 10:49:38 AM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
"Well, I think if you say you're going to do something and don't do it, that's trustworthiness."
– George W. Bush [8/30/00]

If there was a crying/whining smilie I'd use it here.

WAAAAAAAH!!!!

MrLars · « **Reply #18 on:** August 05, 2004, 01:03:40 PM »

This is from the same group who ran the disgusting campaign against John McCain. He's pissed about this ad also.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/politics/9327026.htm?1c

Only one of the Vets in that orginization actualy served with Kerry Steven Gardner. The groups 'leader' Paul O'Niel, Nixons attack dog against JK, has claimed to have served on the same boat....he did but a full two months after Kerry.

One Admiral in the group even gave glowing reviews of Kerry's actions in combat, but politics being what they are nowdays, he's decided to flip-flop.

This orginization is a 527, same as Moveon.org, some here claimed that JK's campaign was resopnsable in some way for their contest 'Bush in 30 seconds' where one of the entries linked Bush to Hitler.

So John McCain denounces this add but some here suck this crap up like it's truth straight from the Holy Grail.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #19 on:** August 05, 2004, 01:16:36 PM »

Actually, I just read that this group that is producing this ad is in fact the same group who produced ads FOR McCain's campaign. That comes from McCain himself.

The admiral and the commander that passed Kerry's request for a citation up the line said it was done and awarded within two days, as opposed to the normal process that takes weeks or months. He also said that he did not have all sides of the story BEFORE he passed it up the line. In other words, it was awarded without investigation into the incident, without interviews, and strictly on the merits of Kerry's own report.

Here are two links, I'm sure you won't like them, but they don't require registration either.

"McCain condemns ads that attack Kerry":

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/08/05/politics1020EDT0544.DTL&type=printable

Excerpts from "Unfit for Command" (Drudge Report):

http://www.drudgereport.com/ufd1.htm

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #20 on:** August 05, 2004, 01:26:17 PM »

It amazes me that we are told that we must accept all that is wonderful and glowing about Kerry without question, and that if McCain says it is wrong to attack him then it is wrong to question him or attack him.

And yet, when about two dozen veterans of the same war, from the same unit as Kerry, speak out against him, we are supposed to ignore their views and discount them as a part of a disgusting attempt by Carl Rove to smear Kerry.

Just exactly why is it that McCain and Kerry should be taken at face value, respected, honored, and believed without question, while Hoffman, Bates, O'Neill, Elliot, Reese, and others, are to be thought of as less than honest, and with questionable ulterior motives?

MrLars · « **Reply #21 on:** August 05, 2004, 01:34:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Actually, I just read that this group that producing this ad is the same group who produced ads FOR McCain's campaign. That comes from McCain himself.

Source this, not from Drudge thank you, and I'll belive it.

The admiral that passed Kerry's request for a citation up the line said it was done and awarded within two days, as opposed to the normal process that takes weeks or months. He also said that he did not have all sides of the story BEFORE he passed it up the line. In other words, it was awarded without investigation into the incident, without interviews, and strictly on the merits of Kerry's own report.[/QUOTE]

Commanders do NOT send bull**** to a four-star general/admiral. Believe me, this stuff is screened, screened again, and checked over with a fine-toothed comb before it reaches anyone's desk with stars on his collar because those people do NOT enjoy being embarassed like that.

If think that all checks were put asside and the SS was awarded JK solely on his word...no wonder they call you people sheeple.

Here are two links, I'm sure you won't like them, but they don't require registration either.

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I see the spinmeisters are working overtime, IMO, unless the WH distances themselves from this 527 they'll suffer from their lies.

BTW, Carl Rove's good friend, Robert Perry, gave 100G's to this group, < Fr. Guido Sarduchi voice > coincidenza?

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #22 on:** August 05, 2004, 01:47:27 PM »

Read the link under the heading "McCain condemns ads that attack Kerry", and you'll see that McCain says the same people that produced ads for him are producing ads for the group opposing Kerry. It wasn't Drudge that wrote it, but it was linked from his site. The paper is from San Fransisco.

Of course, as I said, you won't like the source. Just as we are supposed to take Kerry and McCain at face value, and we are supposed to ignore those who oppose Kerry or make McCain unhappy, we are supposed to question everything Drudge says. And you call others sheeple.

Oh yeah, and it's perfectly fine for friends of Kerry, or his wife, to contribute mega bucks to anti Bush groups, but friends of anyone in the Bush administration should never support people who don't like Kerry.

How about we check the date of the action for which Kerry was awarded the Silver Star, versus the date the citation was verified and accepted. I haven't looked yet, but I will.

Honestly, I hope Kerry isn't as guilty as they say he is, that really would be pretty sad.

MrLars · « **Reply #23 on:** August 05, 2004, 01:55:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts

And yet, when about two dozen veterans of the same war, from the same unit as Kerry, speak out against him, we are supposed to ignore their views and discount them as a part of a disgusting attempt by Carl Rove to smear Kerry.

Same war and same unit? Most of these guys only connection with JK is that they served on the same type of boat in the same Navy in the same combat arena, ONLY one served on the same boat and a few served in the same squadron, you saying that the rest of JK's crew are lying now?

These vets are expressing personal opinion, not personal experience like JK's crew do.

IMO, it's disgusting that some here are so eager to slam vets for their service just because they don't like their politics...that goes for GWB's stint in the TANG also.

MrLars · « **Reply #24 on:** August 05, 2004, 02:17:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Read the link under the heading "McCain condemns ads that attack Kerry", and you'll see that McCain says the same people that produced ads for him are producing ads for the group opposing Kerry. It wasn't Drudge that wrote it, but it was linked from his site. The paper is from San Fransisco.

OK, a concession from me regarding the groups support of McCain, I found this quote from him:

''It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me,'' McCain said in an interview with The Associated Press, comparing the anti-Kerry ad to tactics in his bitter Republican primary fight with President Bush.

''I wish they hadn't done it,'' McCain said of his former advisers. ''I don't know if they knew all the facts.''

I was mistaken on the orginization but there's no doubt what McCain thinks of John O'Niel and his ilk.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #25 on:** August 05, 2004, 02:31:07 PM »

More than one or two of those vets say they were there during the action. And what they describe is far different than what Kerry claims. I've heard several say that Kerry's medal was awarded much quicker than normal, and that little was followed up at the time.

I'm not quick to condemn Kerry's service. I hope that what is being said is not what happened.

I am quick to condemn his politics. But if what is being said about his actions during the war is true, then he is the most disgusting scumbag I've seen in a while. On the otherhand, what is being said about his post war action IS true and verifiable, and for what he said about his fellow soldiers, I think little more of him than I do of "Voss", or Paul hinds, whatever you want to call him.

Edbert · « **Reply #26 on:** August 05, 2004, 02:51:44 PM »

New campaign poster:

What McCain SHOULD be mad about is how easily and quickly these 527s ((both sides) violated the McCain Feingold act

rpm · « **Reply #27 on:** August 05, 2004, 03:17:27 PM »

The NeoCons better back away from the war record fight. They are entering a minefield with Dubya's history, or should I say lack of history.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #28 on:** August 05, 2004, 03:24:05 PM »

NeoCons.

Such sharp wit.

Lizking · « **Reply #29 on:** August 05, 2004, 04:04:34 PM »

The Republicans did not make it an issue, Kerry did.

I hope this stuff is not true as well, but I DID read all of his service records (that have been released), and the impression I got was that he was a "marked man", someone with friends in high places. This appears evident from his evals. Check his records out, they are pretty interesting, but I wish he would release all of them.