Why is it a ditch if you land on your battleship?

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by MOIL
Game  or  Sim  ?

I've been instructed many times that this is a flight "Sim" not a flight "Game"  

That’s just it Moil.
PPL use the GAME or SIM definition to suit their argument. And to that end many will flip flop like a politician on the definition of the game/sim to make their point.
Fact is AH2 is Both.
There are few that could/would argue that a WWll fighter plane in "Real" couldn't land safely on the grass.
I still think that any where on the Airfield should be a Safe Landing if your plane suffers no damage.
Heres the kicker. Drive a GV to an airfield and end mission on the grass= Ditch too.

[DipStick]

I think you were robbed mars.

It's a game that simulates wwii air combat moil.

[Ghosth]

its a flight simulation with gameplay.

[Adogg]

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But are we saying that WWll fighters were not able to land on grass without damage? Get Real!

Mugzee - i understand your point there but it doesn't apply - he landed on a BATTLESHIP.

Hey it's a fantastic landing but recovering a plane from the deck of a battleship would suck up major time and effort in the real world. Not to mention earn the pilot a court martial.

That was my point.

As for landing on grass - hey I'm all for it.

This has been rehashed before. Ditch isn't technically the correct term for it BUT the notion of returning the plane to the ground in a manner that makes it unflyable i.e. no gear,  rolled over, collision with water, boat, building, ripping the wings off etc etc. makes sense.

The system isn't perfect. BUT landing on a BATTLESHIP is well beyond the pale to count as a "landing."

[GScholz]

As long as the plane is intact it is not a ditch. I'd rather HTC stopped discriminating between landings/ditched altogether when it comes to scoring as long as the ditch was in friendly territory. In R/L many planes landed in farmers fields and on roads because they ran out of fuel, and unless they totally wrecked the plane it could usually be repaired. If you land wheels down the ground crew only needs to come over and tow the plane to the nearest airfield.

[mars01]

This game is not a SIM.

Dipstick is right, it is a game the roughly simulates WWII Air
Combat.

Until we have complete engine management, gun management, oxygen mamagement, routine failures etc this will never be a sim.

I'm reading A Flying Tigers Diary - Bonds diary.  I am amazed at how many times he pulled the trigger and his 50s didn't work.  He's continually recharging his guns trying to get them to work.  

I just finished Blacksheep One and on two occasions Boyington dives on a Zeke forgetting to arm and charge his guns.

This is not a sim.  HTC has made some trade offs between sim and game to enhance the overall game play.  I think he has captured the essence of the combat without sacrificing the playabiliy.

With that said, I think the friendly territory thing works the best.  If you can walk away in friendly territory you land successfully.  

I can live with the way it is, but I'm just saying it would be nice.  I don't know if the moon and the stars will ever be aligned correctly for me to pull of a Battleship landing again so the point is probably moot lol.

[BlueJ1]

Thanks for the great comment of calling my FK Nuts. It brought a tear to my eye that Ive actually achieved a title on the BBS. Thankyou kindly. Excuse me for not swinging my purse back at you mars.                                                                    Anyway, I also believe that a landing on the grass on a nearby airfeild should count as a successful land. But, I do not think a landing on the Cruiser  would be a successful landing. Heres my argument. Whether AH2 is a Game or a SIM, its still unacceptable for someone to try to land on a cruiser just to land successfully. Even if AH2 is a game, it is still trying to become a SIM.
     I aslo believe that the rescue planes should be put into the game. I remember in scerarios such as Kadesh where they worked quite well. In more current scenarios its seems to be having more problems. If this was emplaced into a larger arena such as the MA I think it would work quite well. A landed successfully could possibly be reached through rescue. PT boats around carriers would serve a new purpose of picking up the downed pilots that did not wish to endanger the lives of the men on the ships if no carrier was present.

[mars01]

No malice ment BlueJ, more sarcasim, tounge in cheek kinda thing.

[debuman]

Originally posted by Jackal1
In real life has  there ever been an instance of a  plane landing on a battleship?

Weren't some of the Japanese carriers acutually coverted battleships that had flat decks built on top of them?

[BlueJ1]

Alot of cargo ships were converted into flattops.

[TBolt A-10]

I'm just surprised that this thread has lasted this long.  hehehe

AH, like AW & the others, is a sim alright -- a combat sim.

[hitech]

How about I change the ditched message to you have landed. And change the landed message to you have landed on a runway.

HiTech

[DipStick]

Originally posted by hitech
I change the ditched message to you have landed. And change the landed message to you have landed on a runway.

HiTech

LOL!

[TBolt A-10]

Originally posted by hitech
I change the ditched message to you have landed. And change the landed message to you have landed on a runway.

HiTech

Cool.  I might as well ask you before the score potatos start emailing you left and right..."But, are they both scored equally?"

Thanks, Hitech.

[DipStick]

Originally posted by TBolt A-10
Cool.  I might as well ask you before the score potatos start emailing you left and right..."But, are they both scored equally?"

Thanks, Hitech.

No, that's the joke.

"you have landed" will count as ditch and "you have landed on a runway" will count as successful. Gotta love the way HT thinks. He is eeviiill. Scary part is I'm beginning to understand him!