looks like kerry was a disaster as an o

[anonymous]

theyve got some of his fitreps available on internet. also theres very good writeup about fitreps for all you landlubbers smart enough to avoid usn at all costs. http://www.swiftvets.com/staticpages/index.php?page=Fitreps

[Horn]

Originally posted by anonymous
theyve got some of his fitreps available on internet. also theres very good writeup about fitreps for all you landlubbers smart enough to avoid usn at all costs. http://www.swiftvets.com/staticpages/index.php?page=Fitreps

Disaster? Try from excellent to outstanding FITREPs.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Fitness_Reports.pdf

Here they are as linked from the website you referenced. What am I missing?

h

[anonymous]

read the description on how fitreps work. it can be confusing to someone who is used to brevity and logic.

[Gunslinger]

its not use.....these swiftboat guys look like they've done there research and got their watermelon together but the librals will allways have their heads in the sand when it comes to beating Bush.

[Horn]

Originally posted by anonymous
read the description on how fitreps work. it can be confusing to someone who is used to brevity and logic.

I've read bunches of FITREPs in my (ex) job at CINCLANT (We were designing a DBM forms system to automate the FITREP filings). The dings etc that the website is reporting (especially that promotion bs) are important only if the Navy is to be a career for the officer in question. I would rely much more heavily on the narrative from the interviewing CO on a non-career officer--where I can find little if any indication that he is the "disaster" of which you speak.

Again, if you can point specifically to what you are referring I would be interested.

h

[Toad]

In that time, ratings were not restricted, IE: everyone in a squadron could be rated at the highest level in all categories and overall.

In the mid '70's that was changed; they set percentages for each group to be rated. Only so many % could be the top, so many % the next block down etc.

However, at Kerry's time there was no restriction. Thus, if you were a true "fastburner" you had a "firewalled" OER or FitRep. That means EVERY block was rated at the highest level and you also needed some certain "codewords" in the written comments by your evaluators. For example "promote at the earliest opportunity" was a necessary comment for a true "fastburner".

So, when you look at Kerry's reports and see blocks that are NOT all the way to the left, you are basically looking at the "kiss of death" when it goes to the promotion board. Same with his written comments; they lack the necessary "zing" to get promoted.

From the ones I looked at, you're looking at average FitReps.

Before you ask, one of my "additional duties" in my USAF squadron was reviewing OER's before final submission and "pumping up" the ones that the CO felt deserved promotion.

[anonymous]

Originally posted by Horn
I've read bunches of FITREPs in my (ex) job at CINCLANT (We were designing a DBM forms system to automate the FITREP filings). The dings etc that the website is reporting (especially that promotion bs) are important only if the Navy is to be a career for the officer in question. I would rely much more heavily on the narrative from the interviewing CO on a non-career officer--where I can find little if any indication that he is the "disaster" of which you speak.

Again, if you can point specifically to what you are referring I would be interested.

h

ok then you speaketh the language. its the analysis of the swiftboat guys i was talking about. "Just like Hibbard, Elliott “red flags” Kerry in conduct by downgrading him significantly in judgment and personal behavior." cant be a good sign can it?

[Lizking]

The page lay out the specific dings and on which reports.  It goes without saying, Horn, that the FITREP is only useful for career officers, but if you have knowledge of how they are used(and I don't, other than through reading, but everything I have ever read out FITREPS agrees with what the website says), it gives a good indication of the person himself.

[Coolridr]

Fitreps and evals in the Navy are NOT a clear picture of how somebody is. They have always been too afraid to say anything bad about anyone on an eval. So even cheesebags come out looking good most of the time.  I've been in the Navy now 11 years and written many evals. I try to write them as I feel a person is and they get changed. As far as officers fitreps go no Commanding Officer would write anything damaging to someones career unless they had commited a crime and it was a post punishment fitrep.
         Therefore those fitreps that are posted are meaningless. Even though I don't like Kerry it won't be based on those.

[Gunslinger]

I've worked a little w/ fitreps in my time.  They havnt changed much since then but its correct....if its not all OUTSTANDING than it's considered a ding.  That has allways been common knowlege

A most capable officer with a high degree of maturity beyond his age.  ENS Kerry has brought his ship's appearence and Hull mait. to a high level in a short time

CRAP!  that to ME sounds like filler fluff

He is a polished diplomat at ease in distinguished company and shows great promise  for future assignment as an aide or foreign diplomatic post

That to ME translates in....this guy is an bellybutton kisser....allthough he doesnt screw up he is almost usless in his job and in combat.  His troops make him look good, get him out of my command.

In all fairness it does say to promote him ahead of peers to LTjg.

but he next one is JUST recommend for promotion with a few remarks about verbal and written skills/good appearence.

BUT look at PDF page 8 Block 20 on leadership.  That's what we used to call scattershot cause his marks are all over the page.

Half the report is Non observed wich isnt a bad thing.  The others arent all that bad.

THESE ARE JUST MY OPINIONS THOUGH if I was getting a new guy and wanted to size him up by his fitrep.

[anonymous]

Originally posted by Coolridr
Fitreps and evals in the Navy are NOT a clear picture of how somebody is. They have always been too afraid to say anything bad about anyone on an eval. So even cheesebags come out looking good most of the time.  I've been in the Navy now 11 years and written many evals. I try to write them as I feel a person is and they get changed. As far as officers fitreps go no Commanding Officer would write anything damaging to someones career unless they had commited a crime and it was a post punishment fitrep.
         Therefore those fitreps that are posted are meaningless. Even though I don't like Kerry it won't be based on those.

my experience is different. i have roasted some guys writing evals and they deserved it and it stuck. ive also seen results of officer fitreps that were effectively career ending even if no crime commited. i think community command location and situation can vary results and whats acceptable.

[Lizking]

Well I am not in the Military and never have been, but my impression when I read them a couple of three months ago was that he was some one with a friend high up and some one that was known to be a ticket-puncher, so they passed him through with that in mind.

[rpm]

Nice try. His CO is now recanting the accusations in public.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by rpm371
Nice try. His CO is now recanting the accusations in public.

Really what is he saying?

PDF pg 19 block 20 is not all that flattering as well.

[rpm]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Really what is he saying?

PDF pg 19 block 20 is not all that flattering as well.

BOSTON (Reuters) - John Kerry's commanding officer in Vietnam has backed away from attacks on the Democratic presidential candidate, saying he made a mistake in accusing the U.S. senator of having lied about his wartime record.