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Offline AKDejaVu

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« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2001, 03:13:00 PM »
SOB... you are in the wrong thread.  The FDPs belong in the "Sit and Spin" thread... not the "Rotating Tours" thread.

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« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2001, 03:21:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
I know Bish will disagree.
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I would not disagree. I want sides to be more even, and I like competition. I fly bishops all my AH time except few very short switches due to ballance reason, but if not my squad I would switch till the numbers back.

I can agree that I do not remember nothing alike. Almost all the time bishops has the numbers. Sometime we outnumber both sides together. It happened before with every side, but it continues for bishops it continue for a long time now.

Problem with newbies. After seeing one side winning couple of reset they switch to this side, which disbalance game even more.

I think that CO's of switching squads shall find a way to communicate with each other and to agree who and where switch in the start of tour. This can be EXTREMELY good way to return balance of the game.

Just hope someone (may be you Rip) will take this burden to comunicate other squad CO's and agree some working strategy which will ballance the game.

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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2001, 04:06:00 PM »
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Originally posted by MrLars:


The message was directed to the squads that rotate, the squads and others that fly Bish EVERY TOD aren't included in my FYYFF.

In fact we rotate bish each turn  :)

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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2001, 04:20:00 PM »
Personaly I find this post and other "game balancing" posts kind of silly. But that is my opinion. When my squad decided to go Bishop they were the continual underdog at the time and Rooks and Knights always had the numbers. We flew for the Rooks for the same reason. I don't think we are going to do a nightly switch to accomodate whiners.

We switch countries on occasion, not any particular time frame, because we like to fly with different people. Some in my squad don't want to fly Knights simply because most of the Luftwobble squads fly Knights exclusively and we like to tangle with the Lufwobbles.

Calling squads names is childish. It is the same kind of post you see every time one of the countries gets down in numbers and all the countries are the underdog at one time or the other.

If it bothers you so much to be on the low numbered side then switch countries. It's not like it means anything to be loyal to a chess piece. I owe my allegeance to one country, USA. Game countries don't mean squat.

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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2001, 06:32:00 PM »
Well, if I was a bishop, I would find it hard to get good kills. I mean, if you are out-numbering your cons 2 to 1 - that means there are 50% less targets to engage.

What fun is it if you're not constantly fighting uneven battles?

Besides, it means more bish planes for me to shoot down     :D

 
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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2001, 07:02:00 PM »
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Well, if I was a bishop, I would find it hard to get good kills. I mean, if you are out-numbering your cons 2 to 1 - that means there are 50% less targets to engage.

Its not like that.  Usually.. 80% of the bish are at one field trying desperately to protect that incoming goon <unsuccessfully> for 3 hours... against 3 defenders.  Strange thing is... that strategy isn't really limited to bish.

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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2001, 10:45:00 PM »
i don't see why the AK's seem to be the only squad defending the idea of squad rotation nor do i understand why the AK's seem to think the thread was directed specificly towards them but oh well

In my opinion if your squad has any balls and the decency of fair play ideals then when they rotate to a different country and see an daily average of 90 players on their side most of the time (and have any respect for themselves) they sould jump to the next country in there rotation to try to even out the playing field and they can always go back to that country the next TOD.

But for those who's squads don't change countries every month or 2 it is really lame to switch to a country and stay there when you know that the rest are so badly out numbered.

just my opinion and i could be wrong,
but i'm not and i am not "whinning" cause i no longer am in the game and no longer have to put up with such dweebery nor do i have to lower miself TO such dweebery out of frustration  ;)

therefor anyone who disagrees with me or thinks i am whining can all just...

Bend over and get ready to have your tulips riped wide open cause when i come back from my break i'm going to be filling you tulips with 20mm rounds anyways  :eek: (or 50cal's depending on what i decide to fly for the month when i come back)

Adios all   :p

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« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2001, 11:12:00 PM »
Numbers the bish may have... large numbers of vetted pilots they don't have. I've seen 6-10 skilled knits hold off 40 bish fer hours.. and even grab some bish fields in the process.

Perception of this issue is a tuff one.. number counts and pilot quality varies over several timezones.

While I myself don't rotate, I do enjoy seeing the various squads cycle thru.. good ta fly with 'em; and in some cases it's downright entertaining to watch! (e.g. the AK's trying to take fields when surrounded by newbies.  :))

Having a percieved advantage is not all that often the same as actually having one.

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« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2001, 03:31:00 AM »
Hm, well I had the honour of flying with the Finnish LLv34 guys yesterday (great bunch of guys). Even though I understood nothing of the tainkaneekoo luuukinaiten perkele language, the occasional English word of phrase helped me out  :)

We were trying to defend a38.

Not even with 5-6 of these guys and me were we succesful. The numbers were jsut too uneven. I saw these guys take down 2:1 or 3:1 in K/D, and still the base was lost. As was 29 and 30.

As history has shown, sheer brute numbers beat experience if the number advantage is high enough.

And I dunno. I'd call the AK's pretty experienced. Had fun duelling AKHog with my M16, til he snook up on me (with me only having 30 runds left) and took revenge by firmly planting a couple of rockets on my m16  :).

All rotating squads are wussies though   ;)

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« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2001, 06:09:00 AM »
i think it would be great to assighn a sqads to a country, if ur in sqadron ur in 1 country that will balance the arena (or not).

308 th also rotate, but we stay a longer time in eatch country

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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2001, 07:36:00 AM »
RudeDawg... I didn't defend, I explained.

I make no excuses for what we do because I don't feel there is anything wrong with it.  We are not always on the country with numbers and we stay with the county regardless.

Rotation is not intended to even things out.  Its intended to get a chance to fly with everyone.  We like doing it.

If you are so concerned with this, then get a squad together and designate yourselves as the "even the numbers" squad.  You can jump from country to country always fighting for the underdog.  At that time, you can come here and citicize others for not doing it.  Until then, you might as well shut up.  Oh.. that's right.. you'd have to get an account.

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« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2001, 08:03:00 AM »
Well, there's definitely one thing consistent with playing games.. whether it's on a playstation, Nintendo64, Arcade Machine, PC or Mac....

And that's the whining when things don't go your way.

Even if the game was 100% accurate in the Flight Model, a very detailed damage model, the best eye candy, the most amazing strategy model, a furball island and the teams were all exactly the same size numbers wise.... you would still find something to squeak about.

It's a game, fair play is about as real as unicorns, it almost never exists.. in any game.

Check out WB's WW2Arena... Either the axis outnumber the allies or vice versa...

"Fair play" is simply an excuse for losing... "You weren't playing fair..."

What would you say if you kicked their ass?
"You weren't play fair..." I don't think so... it would be "I kicked your ass, and you still had things over me!!!"

Does it matter in the end, not really... there's always something that the same people will find to complain about.

Funny thing is though, if there's no one complaining.. chances are there's no one playing the same game with you!
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« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2001, 08:03:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Mark Luper:
When my squad decided to go Bishop they were the continual underdog at the time and Rooks and Knights always had the numbers. We flew for the Rooks for the same reason. I don't think we are going to do a nightly switch to accomodate whiners.
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Mark for many months, each country had 'their turn in the bucket'...and it would ebb and flow pretty consistently..now, with the influx of AW and FA recently, we're seeing them all join the same country (I know for a fact that correspondence between no fewer than 3 AW squads are doing this on purpose).  Now, its come down to 2 countries in the bucket, for 6 weeks now.  Thats a record.

 
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We switch countries on occasion, not any particular time frame, because we like to fly with different people. Some in my squad don't want to fly Knights simply because most of the Luftwobble squads fly Knights exclusively and we like to tangle with the Lufwobbles.
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My problem isn't so much with squad rotations as it is with making it more difficult for a country to capture fields in the wee hours of the U.S. mornings, where a handful of Bish suck up real estate, by the time heavy numbers come on, the numerous bish just have to hold what they have, and since they have the numbers, they go offensive once again, thus the 6 weeks of constant bish resets.

 
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It is the same kind of post you see every time one of the countries gets down in numbers and all the countries are the underdog at one time or the other.
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No, in this case, its a record for the length that one country has been dominant.  No fewer than 10 people I know have quit rather than to be a 'country jumper'..ie, someone that joins the country thats winning all the time, they'd rather leave the game than be labeled a 'winitall'.

 
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If it bothers you so much to be on the low numbered side then switch countries. It's not like it means anything to be loyal to a chess piece. I owe my allegeance to one country, USA. Game countries don't mean squat.
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We did this with JG2, broke us up, did this with VF-101 in WB's lost some squaddies, ask Ranger Bob about country rotations...he had his squads broke up in other sims due to country rotations.  For some squads it works, for others, it will not work.  Some are just more alligent than others.

What I'd like to see is some sort of work done by HTC that directs new players to low numbered sides, however, they can switch countries once they're online, so what would be better is having some sort of consolation for the side with fewer numbers, ie Perk planes free, or dare I say, since the winning country is far deep into enemy territory, limited supplies at the front line fields?  Maybe double points for the underdog once under, say 5 fields?

I think there is an answer to the problem out there other than country rotations...it does need to be addressed, hell I got 2 squads of a total of 22 guys that are sick of it, and though they love AH, they're ready to quit, Snap Shots and Check six is the only reason they're still here....Something needs to be done...most guys in Knightland don't mind being in the bucket for a month, but its now apparent that the AW influx is having an abnormal effect on the main arena numbers.  Something should be done so that one day when YOUR in the bucket for 6+ weeks, you'll have some sort of relief...

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« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2001, 08:26:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Replicant:
The last two weeks have seen my first (plus 2nd, and 3rd) map reset wins.... Yes, I'd experienced none at all before this in 17 months of playing!     :)  

ditto except I've not seen the 2nd and 3rd reset ...

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« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2001, 08:31:00 AM »
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ditto except I've not seen the 2nd and 3rd reset ...


Guys, you bish have gotten resets prior to this last 6 weeks, you know thats B.S.