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Offline LLv34_Camouflage

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« on: August 07, 2004, 04:27:17 PM »
Hi guys and gals!

I ran across these:

http://www.lanpartyworld.com/ww2/files/wing-test.wmv
http://www.lanpartyworld.com/ww2/files/he-test.wmv
http://www.lanpartyworld.com/ww2/files/he-divx.avi

I definately recommend checking the first video. It shows an aluminum mock wing piece being shot by .303, .50, 20mm AP and finally 20mm HE.

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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2004, 08:41:00 PM »
I wonder if that was HE on Mine?

Pretty hilarious effect....

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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2004, 10:48:00 PM »
Great find, thanks for sharing it!

Shows how undermodelled HE and MG rounds are compared to HMG rounds.
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2004, 12:32:37 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2004, 06:17:38 AM »
Was the 20mm HE shot to the target or detonated? Looks like detonated to me..

 It'd been great if there was a test of how different the HE effects would be according to depth of shell penetration before detonation.. particularly interesting would be the cases where 20mms detonating 'on top of surface' before ideal penetration inside structure.

 I've seen many people theorize on the scope of the 'shallow detonation', some saying that it'd hardly matter, others saying it might drastically lower the effectiveness of the blast...
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2004, 07:18:15 AM »
Yeah that graphically illustrates the point.

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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2004, 07:41:00 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2004, 07:45:44 PM »
Has Anybody read Tony's article on weapon effectiveness where they factor in the damage from explosive rounds?
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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2004, 11:41:03 PM »
IIRC Mr. Williams estimated that 20mm cannon was about three times as destructive as the .50 cal. In that test video the 20mm looked a lot more destructive than just three times. A LOT more destructive. Perhaps Mr. Williams needs to re-evaluate his estimates.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2004, 03:55:58 AM »
Well, the "simulated wing" had a pretty small displacement so the pressure effect was rather big. On the other hand the "wing" piece had already quite hefty holes in it so there was some ventilation for pressure. It would be nice to get a real wing from a aircraft scrapyard and test the HE against that.

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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2004, 05:34:31 AM »
I cant understand which ones are 20mm AP. Any guesses ?
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2004, 06:24:17 AM »
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 20mm AP holes are the biggest ones followed closely by .50cal and smallest ones are .303cal ones. The ammunition used on the film is the MG151/20 Minengeschoss AFAIK. And there's more to come, I just heard that they are making a film with the MK108 firing! :eek: I also would like to say my modest hello to all AH2 pilots, signed up my account again after a long pause, feels nice to be back :aok
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2004, 08:34:47 AM »
Heh. Its not that simple ;).

On the front side of the plate we have no problem:



But on the other side of the plate...

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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2004, 09:50:18 AM »
I'm also not sure how representative aluminium wrapped around a couple of blocks of wood is of a wing structure.

Clearly the 20mm HE is more destructive, but the fact that every warring nation used 20mm HE rounds should have already told us that.
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2004, 09:56:02 AM »
Well the wing structure of the plane in your avatar is exactly that; aluminum wrapped around a piece of wood. ;)
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