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Offline VO101_Isegrim

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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2004, 10:30:58 AM »
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 And there's more to come, I just heard that they are making a film with the MK108 firing! :eek:


They will need bit bigger wing-mock up for that to serve something of a useful material. ;)

BTW, who did these nice vids? And how do they fire the rounds anyway, I`d suppose you need a very special license to hobby fire a WW2 30mm cannon in your backyard . :D :D

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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2004, 10:35:40 AM »
As for firing - all .50 rounds were fired at once. Not sure about weapon those guys used...

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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2004, 11:03:30 AM »
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Well the wing structure of the plane in your avatar is exactly that; aluminum wrapped around a piece of wood. ;)

Actually it is wood glued to more wood.

What is missing is how a larger riveted structure takes it.  Do the rivets act as a possible tear point resulting in the total destroction of that area, but saving the larger structure?
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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2004, 11:19:51 AM »
What larger structure? Most planes of WWII had stressed skin; if removed it would lead to failure of the entire structure.
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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2004, 11:29:39 AM »
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What larger structure? Most planes of WWII had stressed skin; if removed it would lead to failure of the entire structure.

Removal of skin would weaken or destroy the structure.  It depends on how much was removed, where it was removed from and the strength of the structure. Destruction of the complete structure was not the only posibble outcome.
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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2004, 01:47:24 PM »
The nature of the structure did make quite a difference to the effect of HE shells. This is from 'Flying Guns - World War 2: Development of Aircraft Guns, Ammunition and Installations 1933-45':

"The 30 mm HEI M-Geschoss, fired from an MK 108, was also tested. Unsurprisingly, ten rounds fired at a Spitfire fuselage resulted in a score of three immediately lethal, seven probably lethal. Eleven rounds fired at a Blenheim achieved the same results, plus one doubtful. It was noted that the ammunition did not have much effect on heavy bomber fuselages (presumably because of the large volume for the explosion to dissipate into), but inflicted serious aerodynamic damage to the wings by blowing off the surfaces, and that the incendiary content was very effective in starting fires. German tests reflected these results, and also revealed significant differences in the effectiveness of the mine shells depending on the construction of the aircraft. Stressed-skin alloy monococque structures were most vulnerable to being blown apart. Steel structures clad with thin aluminium were less affected as the cladding quickly split, releasing the pressure before it had much time to damage the structure, and fabric-covered structures were damaged least of all."

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