Money....

[Westy]

"one the 'clueless' can play"


 Like an arcadish arcade game? While Crimson Skies may be too complex try this one....



 http://www.wwiifighterpilot.com/



 Another, a classic called Zaxxon, would fit your bill but even that I think might have been too challenging for "the clueless".

[SC-Sp00k]

Originally posted by Seraphim
Money

It's a hit

Don't give me that do goody-good bllchit

Ahhh god the memories ! Purple ceiling lights and saggy bean bags!

Pink Floyd are coming to Canberra on 11 Sept and im gonna be there! W00T !

oh....Aces High bbs b*tch slappin....umm.....pray continue



P.S.  When AW died, was there a horrible red screen of death that pervaded all pilots screens? LOL.  God I hated that.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by SC-Sp00k
Ahhh god the memories ! Purple ceiling lights and saggy bean bags!
.

That`s strange. I definitely remember them bean bags being rather perky in those days......................... .or were you referring to the chairs?
Ahhhh the mammaries.

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by Flossy
Wrong!  EA killed AW!  The rot started when they got rid of volunteer staff as well as most of the contracted staff; as it happened just before they started charging, many simply did not subscribe and left the game.  So, although there was a lack of subscribers, it was EA's actions that caused it and it was they who ultimately pulled the plug.

Flo...

Because you're a lady, I will be more polite . While you are correct that Groth is wrong, you are incorrect as to the cause for the demise of AW. EA did not 'kill' Air Warrior, they merely presided over they merely presided over the funeral. AW was dying from neglect long before EA bought the product. Newscorp tried to use AW as a cash cow for years. All the while, slicing off the occasional 'side of beef' to support the development of new products. Could EA have 'saved' AW? After the AW:Vietnam debaucle, an attempt was made (anyone remember the great dog & pony show at the Indy con?). Sadly, it was too far gone.


Flo, I was head of informal training when Cris went online. When AW moved to AOHell and Compuserve, I became head of all AW training. I was the first Game Op (both on AOHell and in the AWII beta which became Gamestorm). All the while, I was hearing from my bosses how AW development was being mismanaged by the Newscorp bean counters. My bosses included Blue Baron, Centurion and Moggy. I really do have a couple of clues on this subject .

Bottomline, it was greed that killed AW and if you want to point fingers....try flippin' one Rupert Murddock's way .

[Warp]

Welcome to the wonderful world of fast paced technology development.  If you're going to play games on a computer, expect to spend money to keep up.  AH is THE reason I upgrade my system on a semi-regular basis.  

Still, as mentioned, in the world of current games, AH has far less hardware requirements than most.  HT and crew have done a great job of providing strong and enjoyable game play without requiring a top-of-the-line system to do it.  Hell, this game is even playable on a dial-up connection!  Can you say that for most of the online games out there today?

Does high end equipment make things better?  To some degree, yes...but if you are willing to understand those differences, it doesn't really take away from game play if your video card or processor can't handle 6x AA, maxed out mip-mapping detail and so on.  Even with lower settings, AH is perfectly fine and completely playable at a competitive level.

Of course, everyone has their threshhold of what is considered "too much" for a hardware upgrade, and that's understandable.  $80 for some might be nothing, and completely out of the question for others, but bottom line is, you can upgrade to decent hardware that will play the game well for not much money.  Birthdays and Christmas are excellent opportunities to get yur system upgraded.  For that matter, if you want that new video card bad enough, go mow some lawns, or find some odd job you can make some cash, or start stashing a few dollars here and there...pocket change in the jar, etc.  It adds up quick.

[Drunky]

AHII System Requirements (from the AH page):
Windows 98/ME/2K/XP
DirectX 9.0b
32M video card that supports hardware T&L
P850 or better
Joystick, sound card and speakers

Not that UBER in my opinion.  I have a system that is almost five years old that plays AHII

Originally posted by Groth
Like I said, SOMEONE with more brains WILL make one the 'clueless' can play.

I guess you are saying that someone smarter than Dale will make a flight sim that caters to the people who have dated machines?  That also will include both gameplay and graphics that not only will entice a new audience but also retain them for the long haul?

This seems like a really, really silly idea.  Sorry if I'm gruff, but I don't suffer people with extremely silly ideas very well.  Or people acting silly either.

Lastly, as far as HTC losing the people who cannot afford to 'update' (read buy a new $85 video card for) their system...I think HTC would lose many more subscribers if they didn't update the graphics.

I'm not really an ass, I just play one in real life.

[LePaul]

Hmm, let's compare AH2 buglist to Doom3s...oh wait...its a finished product and got tested before being pushed out the door and called "Complete".

Im sure Ah2 will be a great game, someday.

[Flossy]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
Could EA have 'saved' AW? After the AW:Vietnam debaucle, an attempt was made (anyone remember the great dog & pony show at the Indy con?). Sadly, it was too far gone.

Well, from what I remember, AW4 was being worked on right up until EA closed down Kesmai Studios in October 2001.  I remember watching Spiffy demonstrate it at our UK Con in September 2001, and it was looking really good by then:

Flo, I was head of informal training when Cris went online. When AW moved to AOHell and Compuserve, I became head of all AW training. I was the first Game Op (both on AOHell and in the AWII beta which became Gamestorm).

I was a Game Assistant from September 1999 until March 2001 and loved giving something back to the game which had given me so much enjoyment.  When we were all dismissed by EA - with very little warning - in March 2001, I felt like I'd been kicked in the stomach! I very nearly left the game at that point (as many others did, in disgust!) but my love of AW was so great that I went ahead and subscribed the following month.

All the while, I was hearing from my bosses how AW development was being mismanaged by the Newscorp bean counters. My bosses included Blue Baron, Centurion and Moggy. I really do have a couple of clues on this subject .

OK, I don't know the ins and outs of what happened at Newscorp.  I can only go by how I saw things from my perspective at the time.  What I saw were screenshots (and a limited version of the game itself at our UK Con) of what looked like was rapidly becoming a great new version of AW...... and then I was shocked to see Kesmai Studios closed down, spelling the end of AW shortly after.  No, sorry..... but from my perspective it was EA who closed down my beloved AW, and nobody else.

[ramzey]

Originally posted by LePaul
Hmm, let's compare AH2 buglist to Doom3s...oh wait...its a finished product and got tested before being pushed out the door and called "Complete".

Im sure Ah2 will be a great game, someday.

you still flaming LePaul?
maybe its someting wrong with your PC, cuz my never suffer from bugs

oh wait, i cannot play Join Ops, cannot play Doom3, but I CAN play AH2

[edited]

one more
JOPS, doom are games for 2-3 weeks, maybe month
AH is game for years, even if you play once a week or less

[flyingaround]

Originally posted by Flossy
but from my perspective it was EA who closed down my beloved AW, and nobody else.

t'was MY understanding that EA bought Kesmai so they could get in bed with AOL and run AOL's Games channel.  Once they had that secured, they started the process of phasing out AirWarrior.

Was EA imho that fired the killing shot.  AW to them, was but a means to hold hands w/ AOL.

At least, that's what the AOL employees were told.

[LePaul]

Originally posted by ramzey
you still flaming LePaul?
maybe its someting wrong with your PC, cuz my never suffer from bugs

oh wait, i cannot play Join Ops, cannot play Doom3, but I CAN play AH2

[edited]

one more
JOPS, doom are games for 2-3 weeks, maybe month
AH is game for years, even if you play once a week or less

Ramzey, you're a tard.  Read my posts with both eyes open

So you see no bugs, thus there are none?  Might I motion you to the Bug List forum.  Now now, open both eyes.
Be brave.

And Ive played Joint Ops for a few months now.  But that's ok, you can act like AH2 is all perfect and all problems are imagined.

Anyways....as i said before, Id assume fund/subscribe to a game that's more polished...and it looks like its slowly getting there.  Just not quite yet.  For me, at this time, its just frustrating.  My PC has the guts to run it fine, its the bomber bugs, terrain issues and others that fueled my departure.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Flossy   No, sorry..... but from my perspective it was EA who closed down my beloved AW, and nobody else. [/B]

Not a doubt it was EA. Sure there were internal grumblings. That`s gonna happen at any company or endeavor. They can be workded out.
  EA is the one who shut AW down just like they did the other flight sims almost immediately after they purchased the rights to them . They have also done the same to MCO and many, many more games they have purchused. It`s their MO.

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by Flossy
 No, sorry..... but from my perspective it was EA who closed down my beloved AW, and nobody else.

Flo...

I really do 'feel your pain'. I can agree that EA closed the game. But, frankly, they bought a pig in a poke. Newscorp, in their collective wisdom, chose to devote resources that should have gone into maintaining and upgrading AW to new products like Island of Kesmai, their Battletech game and the ever popular Aliens (anyone remember that dog??). Heck, AW4W was originally shown as AWII. When the player base saw it (and picked their vitual jaws up off the floor), everyone screamed "YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!! ". Jonathan convinced them that it was unacceptable and they spent the next year + upgrading the graphics. When it finally went into beta, it was still light years behind the competition.

In the end, some enterprising souls a Newscorp recognized that Kesmai was in a deep hole with few prospects of climbing out and sold it. Unfortunately, many of the same people that had been there for Newscorp stayed for EA. That, coupled with the fact that EA was (and maybe still is) clueless about the world of MMOG's meant there was little chance that Kesmai could be saved.

In the end, AW was really a victim of it's own success (and some really crappy management). What I am trying to say is that Newscorp should not be left out. Only blaming EA is a little like blaming the new intern that got control of the patient that was misdiagnosed on the day before he died. Don't forget the doctor that misdiagnosed the problem in the first place.

[Flossy]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
What I am trying to say is that Newscorp should not be left out.

Maybe not, I really don't know.  I only started in AW in July 1998 and was very much in awe of it at that time.  Anything negative going on behind the scenes was probably missed by me then, and I only saw what happened after EA got their hands on it.    

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Groth
Like I said, SOMEONE with more brains WILL make one the 'clueless' can play.
                 This is an important topic, not to you apparently.
                  And on it goes.......

Groth, meet Voss. Voss, meet Groth.