Author Topic: dems - your POTUS (Read 1932 times)

LePaul · « **Reply #30 on:** August 09, 2004, 02:16:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
HELP! Moveon.org doesn't cover this in their talking points!

Unfair question, ask another from the approved list!

Damn you....Pepsi snorted out thru my nose...

Good one!

Hortlund · « **Reply #31 on:** August 09, 2004, 02:34:47 PM »

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132 Cong.Rec. S3564-02
AMENDMENT NO. 1718
(Purpose: To restrict assistance to the Nicaraguan democratic resistance to humanitarian assistance, and for other purposes)

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The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Massachusetts is recognized.

Mr. KERRY. Thank you, Mr. President...

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Finally, President Nixon, 1970. "In cooperation with the armed forces of South Vietnam, attacks are being launched this week to clear out major enemy sanctuaries on the Cambodian-Vietnam border."

Mr. President, I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the President of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia.

I have that memory which is seared-seared-in me, that says to me, before we send another generation into harm's way we have a responsibility in the U.S. Senate to go the last step, to make the best effort possible in order to avoid that kind of conflict.

Mr. President, good intentions are not enough to keep us out of harms way.

Captain's Quarters has posted the letter from the Swift Boat Vets, her is the intro and the portion to do with the Christmas in Cambodia;

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Dear Station Manager:

The purpose of this letter is to present some of the factual support for the advertisement "Any Questions?" produced and used by Swift Boat Veterans For Truth ("Swiftvets"), an organization properly registered under Internal Revenue Code § 527, and which has filed all required reports. Swiftvets is an organization led by Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann, USN (retired), Commander of all Swift boats in Vietnam during the period of John Kerry's four-month abbreviated tour in Swift boats between late November 1968 and mid-March 1969. A list of the 254 members may be found on http://www.swiftvets.com. A large majority of those who served with John Kerry in Swift boats in Vietnam and whose location is known have joined the organization. Thus, for example, sixteen of the twenty-three surviving officers who served in Coastal Division 11 with Kerry (the place where Kerry spent most of his time) have joined the organization, together with most of Kerry's Vietnam commanders and 254 sailors from Coastal Squadron One, ranging from Vice-Admirals to Seamen.

The purpose of Swiftvets is to present the truth about John Kerry's post-Vietnam charges of war crimes and John Kerry's own Vietnam record. Swiftvets is uniquely positioned to do so since it includes most of the locatable sailors and officers who served with John Kerry in Vietnam.

John Kerry has made his Vietnam record the central focus of his presidential candidacy, depicting purported Vietnam events in nearly $100 million in advertising. Copies of ads such as "Lifetime" and "No Man Left Behind" may be found on Kerry's website. Kerry's authorized campaign biography, Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War, by Douglas Brinkley (New York: HarperCollins, 2004) ("Tour"), centers on his short Vietnam tour and contains Kerry's account of these events. Additional accounts by Kerry of his Vietnam experience may be found on his website...

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C. Christmas In Cambodia

If there is a consistent[1] repeated story by John Kerry about his Vietnam experience, it is his story about how he and his boat spent Christmas Eve and Christmas of 1968 illegally present in Cambodia and, listening to President Nixon's contrary assurances, developed "a deep mistrust of U.S. government pronouncements." See Exhibit 24, Kranish book, p. 84. The point of his story was that his government and his commanders were lying about Kerry's presence in Cambodia on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. During a critical debate on the floor of the United States Senate on March 27, 1986, Senator John Kerry said:

Mr. President, I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the President of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia.

I have that memory which is seared -- seared -- in me . . . .

Exhibit 25, Congressional Record - Senate of March 27, 1986, page 3594.

By way of further example, Kerry wrote an article for the Boston Herald on October 14, 1979:

"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."

See Exhibit 26.

The Christmas in Cambodia story of John Kerry was repeated as recently as July 7, 2004 by Michael Kranish, a principal biographer of Kerry from The Boston Globe. On the Hannity & Colmes television show, Kranish indicated that Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia was a critical turning point in Kerry's life.

The story is a total preposterous fabrication by Kerry. Exhibit 8 is an affidavit by the Commander of the Swift boats in Vietnam, Admiral Roy Hoffmann, stating that Kerry's claim to be in Cambodia for Christmas Eve and Christmas of 1968 is a total lie. If necessary, similar affidavits are available from the entire chain of command. In reality, Kerry was at Sa Dec -- easily locatable on any map more than fifty miles from Cambodia. Kerry himself inadvertently admits that he was in Sa Dec for Christmas Eve and Christmas and not in Cambodia, as he had stated for so many years on the Senate Floor, in the newspapers, and elsewhere. Exhibit 27, Tour, pp. 213-219. Sa Dec is hardly "close" to the Cambodian border. In reality, far from being ordered secretly to Cambodia, Kerry spent a pleasant night at Sa Dec with "visions of sugar plums" dancing in his head. Exhibit 27, p. 219. At Sa Dec where the Swift boat patrol area ended, there were many miles of other boats (PBR's) leading to the Cambodian border. There were also gunboats on the border to prevent any crossing. If Kerry tried to get through, he would have been arrested. Obviously, Kerry has hardly been honest about his service in Vietnam.

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Things are starting to come apart for Mr Kerry now...

Sandman · « **Reply #32 on:** August 09, 2004, 02:47:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund

Things are starting to come apart for Mr Kerry now...

Hmmm... Too soon to tell...

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #33 on:** August 09, 2004, 02:53:29 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
ZOOOMMM!!!!! The top of your head just got a shave Saur.
-SW

Nah - not quite. Feel free to try and convince me, though.

Gonna need to do better than the typical "Well you just dont get it" retort if you expect to hold my attention.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #34 on:** August 09, 2004, 02:55:09 PM »

You're right, it went too high to shave your hair.
-SW

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #35 on:** August 09, 2004, 02:56:15 PM »

Exactly, if this war record deal is the deciding factor for president - then you should not be allowed to vote.

Can't be any clearer.
-SW

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #36 on:** August 09, 2004, 03:01:26 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Exactly, if this war record deal is the deciding factor for president - then you should not be allowed to vote.

Can't be any clearer.
-SW

This is your justification for my haircut?

Based on this logic Kerry shouldnt be voting - let alone running for public office.

Hortlund · « **Reply #37 on:** August 09, 2004, 03:01:44 PM »

20. Based on what you have heard or read, does John Kerry’s military service make you much more likely to vote for him, somewhat more likely, does it have no effect, does it make you somewhat less likely, (or does it make you) much less likely to vote for him?

Much more likely Somewhat more likely No effect
Registered Voters
2004 Jul 30-Aug 1 21 21 39
2004 Jul 30-31 21 22 39
2004 Jul 19-21 12 15 60

National Adults
2004 Jul 30-Aug 1 20 21 42
2004 Jul 30-31 20 22 41
2004 Jul 19-21 11 16 59

slimm50 · « **Reply #38 on:** August 09, 2004, 03:03:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Saintaw
I am refering to Eaglar posting the same stuff over and over again... and using words like "POTUS" ... Tom Clancy wanabe...

Ah...ty. Was just a bit confused.

Rude · « **Reply #39 on:** August 09, 2004, 03:05:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Sixpence
But your tax burden increased, you will have to pay it sooner or later.

That's either an uninformed statement or a lie....knowing you and your history here, I'll defer to the uninformed.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #40 on:** August 09, 2004, 03:09:22 PM »

Yes it is.

Based upon your interpretation of my logic. Pointing out that I was talking about voters who are looking at one sides war record (or lack there of) as a huge reason to (not) vote for would be completely futile.

"Look at what Kerry did in Vietnam."

"OMG LOOK AT WAT BOOSH DED IN ABALAMA!!!"

"Kerry's making it a campaign issue."

"OMG IRAQ IS A QUACKMIAR AND ITS JUS LIKE VEITNOM!!!"

Portraying one side as a bunch of retards, and the other side as super calm massive IQ professors. This negates having any form of discussion and would result in what has already transpired in your follow up posts - you assume superiority based on nothing.
-SW

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #41 on:** August 09, 2004, 04:29:22 PM »

Based on nothing? No, sir. I assume superiority because Im discussing this with you.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #42 on:** August 09, 2004, 04:45:15 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Jebus, I'll end this right now:

Bush's war record

Exactly, if this war record deal is the deciding factor for president - then you should not be allowed to vote.
-SW

(right back at ya)

Kerry's 20 year senate record
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hmmmm nothing to it???????

I know a guy who is a nam vet. He once had a nice house and family but decided living on the streets is better. He eats garbage and chits his pants quite regularly.

He saw combat in nam and he has a navy cross. Does that qualify him to be president.

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I know this guy because I do volunteer work for a vetrans community

Sixpence · « **Reply #43 on:** August 10, 2004, 01:45:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Rude
That's either an uninformed statement or a lie....knowing you and your history here, I'll defer to the uninformed.

The more debt you have the more tax dollars you spend on it. We already spend a billion dollars a day on our debt, and i'm not sure, but that may be just the interest.

here

lazs2 · « **Reply #44 on:** August 10, 2004, 09:37:41 AM »

sixpense.. the thing about wars is... they eventually get paid for and the debt is erased.

The thing about liberal socialist programs is tha they cost more every year and are permenent.

lazs