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Offline 1K0N

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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2004, 12:21:05 PM »
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Have any of you tried out SP2 for XP?...if so....any problems?


None that can't be blamed on the users...

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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2004, 12:21:37 PM »
BTW where was all this Democratic fervor for military service in 92, 96 and 2000? And yes I specifically mention 2000 with the full knowledge  of Gore's time in Vietnam.

It wasnt a big deal in 92 and 96 for obvious reasons. And it wasnt a big issue in 2000 because even Al Gore could muster up a respectable government record...

But in 2004 now it's a huge deal! Biggest issue going, the centerpiece of the convention.  Why? Because John kerry has 20 years in the Senate with no significant accmplisments, nothing. Nothing except one of the most vigorous anti-military and anti-defense records in the Senate. If there was a vital weapos system in development Kerry voted to cut it, over and over again. He voted to cut CIA funding in the 1990s. He voted against GW1.

Really Dems ask yourselves what sort of guy you are getting sold here when your left wing party is pushing a 20 year Senate veteran with the most liberal voting record of his generation largly on the controversial repuation of a young 4 month Vietnam war veteran... Kerry hasnt got much to run on, he knows it, his handlers know it, and I think you guys know it too...
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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2004, 12:21:50 PM »
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Kerry should have considered that back in April when he started (without provocation) attacking Dubya's service.

You honestly believe that nonsense?
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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2004, 12:22:40 PM »
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None that can't be blamed on the users...


good. think we get the norwegian version in about 3 weeks time.

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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2004, 12:24:25 PM »


Im counting on you MT. Dont give up the fight for me!

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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2004, 12:31:27 PM »
right, since people insist on making military  service records a issue, instead of the important issues,  i now have to demand a complete and total review of every americans military service. anyone who recieved a medal that there is even the slightest hint of not being deserved we shall have to publicly ridicule.

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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2004, 12:33:04 PM »
Sorry, I have to agree with Grun on this one.  Kerry can't/won't run on his record in the Senate.  He is afraid that if the undecided middle knew exactly how liberal his record is (To say nothing of his ambulance chasing sidekick), they would run to the hills.  Or to Bush.

And he knows that even in polls where he's a percentage point or two ahead, the majority of people see him as weak on defense and terrorism when compared to Bush.

Well, if he can't run on his Senate record and he's perceived to be weak on defense, then he has to stump behind his war record.  (And let's not forget how well that worked for Bush Sr. against Clinton, who didn't even bother to play the NG card or some deferment, he left the country).  "John Kerry, reporting for duty".  "I'm John Kerry and here's a bunch of guys I served with."  I'm Jonn Kerry and here's a picture of me in uniform."

Kerry is attempting to wrap himself in the flag with such gusto that it would make a conservative blush.  And he has to.  

However, if he wants to run on his war record, then he opens himself up for scrutiny on such.  And if that scrutiny comes at the hands of other Veitnam vets, then he's screwed.  Because even if they aren't right about him gaming the system and puffing up his record to collect medals, it still tarnishes his record.

Now here is where the Bush team must play this correctly.  And take a page from the Clinton handbook.  Clinton was a draft-dodger of the highest order facing two genuine war heroes in Bush Sr. and Dole.  There was no way he could even hope to compete with them there.  So he marginalized it.  And that is what Bush Jr. must do.  If he's smart, at every debate and every time it comes up, he must politely recognize Kerry for bravely serving our country.  And then immediately say, "But I'm not here to discuss what he did 30 years ago in the service.  Or even to talk about his testimony in Congressional hearings after that.  I'm here to talk about what he's done from the second he got into the Senate.  And that is to consistanatly have the most liberal voting record there.  He voted to raise taxes, slash military funding...etc., etc."  If done correctly, Bush could even set a tone so that Kerry looks petty and vindictive if he tries to steer the debate to Bush's NG service.

Kerry is weak on his Senate record.  Marginalize the service and let other groups fight him on it.  Attack Kerry the Senator, not Kerry the Ltjg. and Bush will walk over him.

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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2004, 12:33:24 PM »
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Ohhh no MT, its your own stinky bait right there. That supposed  hypocricy of cons is what you clearly implied in your post.

But lets get to the issue, the real issue. It is in no way unpatriotic to question an individual soldiers record in a war. And thats whats happening right here to Kerry as more info comes about his 4 month stint in the Swift boats.  In particular it is relevant because the Kerry team is using that 4 month period as such a big part of the campaign.


You have no right to question anyones service to thier country. Period.

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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2004, 12:34:38 PM »
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Odd that we get criticism on Kerry's Vietnam War decorations when this is the alternative.


The usual retort to questions about Kerry. "Oh yeah, well have a look at THIS!"

:rolleyes:  <--- Oy vey, now you've made me do it!

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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2004, 12:36:56 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2004, 12:43:04 PM »
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You have no right to question anyones service to thier country. Period.


sure you do when it IS their platform for election to the highest office in the land

MT,bro, don't give up on him B4 the book is released - LOL



the guy was a con artist then as he is a con artist now, difference being now some ppl are paying attention to his double speak spew
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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2004, 12:43:13 PM »
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You have no right to question anyones service to thier country. Period.



WRONG !
You are a public servant open to public scrutiny...Where were all you to defend Admiral Boorda's record back in the 90's when he was being attacked for allegedly wearing an award he did not earn. He was scrutinized and ridiculed and I can't recall anyone defending his honor for serving.

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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2004, 12:43:31 PM »
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You honestly believe that nonsense?


Facts are nonsense?
Kerry started this pissing match.  He and his supporters should not be surprised that he's getting wet.

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« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2004, 12:47:07 PM »
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You have no right to question anyones service to thier country. Period.


:rofl

Wow! Thats practically fascist, WTG Pongo!

First MT and now Pongo basically saying that its inappropriate, unacceptable, unallowable, even unpatriotic for people, civilans in particular,  to scrutinize the actions of soldiers in war.

Amazing!
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« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2004, 12:48:40 PM »
Kerry brought it on himself.