i swear that the pony's trim is not right

[68DevilM]

if you use it then you probably know what i mean

if not then up a pony 75% fuel no rockets or bombs, climb 5-6 thousand feet, auto trim on, auto level, reach cruiseing speed, and take auto level off, hell dont even need to be at cruiseing speed! but try to keep it level, bet your noise will climb up worse than the 262 did, hmm? well mabey not that bad but its preety bad:eek:

mabey its me? mabey its my stick? but im not the only one to notice:p

[AaronM2]

I have ive really noticed sence Aces High 1 i still have it and then i fly in Ah2 just fills diffrent try it u will see i do Know alot of people that have noticed the same thing to me it flys like it has bombs on it all the time and yes i have checked no bombs

[Estes]

Originally posted by 68DevilM
if you use it then you probably know what i mean

if not then up a pony 75% fuel no rockets or bombs, climb 5-6 thousand feet, auto trim on, auto level, reach cruiseing speed, and take auto level off, hell dont even need to be at cruiseing speed! but try to keep it level, bet your noise will climb up worse than the 262 did, hmm? well mabey not that bad but its preety bad:eek:

mabey its me? mabey its my stick? but im not the only one to notice:p

Coming from the man who thought he fried his PS when he only had his cords plugged in wrong.

[Fruda]

Oh, so you want the game to be less realistic? How about this.

Learn how to fly the damn plane without combat trim doing all the work for you. And how about using manual trim controls?

Oh, and the Me-262 had a terrible climb rate. The P-51D had a greater tendency to pull up than most other planes at the time.

If you've ever watched a cockpit cam of a P-51D, you'd notice how much the pilot would have to move the stick just to keep the nose down.

[Ghosth]

Funny I was up in a pony today in the TA.

Took off, went on autolevel for a bit, then a long slow climb (autoangle) then got into a long valley where I had to go manual.

It was flying hands off the stick not on auto sweet as you please.

Check your stick!
Check deadbands (would be my first guess)
If you breath on your stick & it knocks out of auto, or is very sensitive in the center.
Try raising deadband a bit for pitch & roll.

[Fruda]

^ That's pretty strange.

[68DevilM]

Originally posted by Fruda
Oh, so you want the game to be less realistic? How about this.

Learn how to fly the damn plane without combat trim doing all the work for you. And how about using manual trim controls?

Oh, and the Me-262 had a terrible climb rate. The P-51D had a greater tendency to pull up than most other planes at the time.

If you've ever watched a cockpit cam of a P-51D, you'd notice how much the pilot would have to move the stick just to keep the nose down.

i think the intent of this post was to point out that the combat trim is wrong in ah2, sure i can manually trim but why?

its a computer game, let the machine do its job:rolleyes:

[TequilaChaser]

well, it is the same with any "crutch"( <----what a bad choice of word) in any game, if you use it, it hinders some performance, saying use combat trim and have less advantage, use manual trim and have more...........

same with stall limiter..no?


this is how I view combat trim anyhow

also, I am not putting anyone down for using combat trim,  some may get better results from it than me, but IMHO it hurts you more than it helps..........

also to add it works great for some, but not for me...geez!

[Grits]

I used to be concerned that I liked using combat trim "crutch"  until I found out Levi uses it. Now I use it with joy in my heart.

[Puck]

Originally posted by 68DevilM


its a computer game, let the machine do its job:rolleyes:

I cheat.  Combat trim is off by default but I mapped a button on the stick to turn it on.  Set combat trim, wait two seconds, turn it back off.  Plane is very close to where it should be.  Tweak as nessisary with manual trim (which is also mapped to the stick...CH HOTAS is nice that way   )

[TequilaChaser]

   I used to be concerned that I liked using combat trim "crutch" until I found out Levi uses it. Now I use it with joy in my heart.

I used the wrong choice of word, it is not really a crutch per say Grits, and it is nothing to actually be concerned with and it is not a cheat...........

but I see nothing wrong with the P51's combat trim, myself. wether you use combat trim or not..........I prefer to not use it constantly, now yes I may hit  Ctrl X, periodically from time to time but I do not fly with it on full time nor even close to 1/4 of the time, I do use  auto angle, Shift X, a good bit however, and autoclimb as well so I can go get something to drink, or a snack, headcall or whatever.

If it works for you that is excellent, it don't fit my flying style I guess, so I don't use it much.

[Shane]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
well, it is the same with any "crutch" in any game, if you use it, it hinders some performance, saying use combat trim and have less advantage, use manual trim and have more...........
same with stall limiter..no?
this is how I view combat trim anyhow

wanna test the theory?  

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by Shane
wanna test the theory?  

you know I will duel / dogfight /stall fight/ what ever with you Shane,  you might accel in the DA, we all know that,  but I ain't Skeered  injured or not LOL

and why quote this reply and not the last one where I replied to Grits, where I said I used a wrong choice of word and  where I said it works for some but it don't work for me? am curious?

[Shane]

responded before reading that far down?

proven fact stall limiter does hurt, not so with CT.  only time CT actually "punishes" one is when one is at very high speeds, i.e. 450+

[J_A_B]

To those who claim that CT is some sort of crutch or "unrealistic"--

The POINT of trim is to change the control forces present in the control stick.  Guess what.....the forces in my desktop joystick never change.  Hence trim in AH is pointless and unrealistic by its very nature, harder to use than in an actual airplane, and serves only as nusiance realism to increase pilot workload without the benefit of the real thing.

So I just use CT and ignore trim as much as I can.  Nusiance realism isn't my cup of tea.


I fly the P-51D almost exclusively in AH and in AH2 its CT certainly does not work as well as it did in AH1--the plane pitches up more.  


J_A_B