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Offline MrLars

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LTTE from Jim Rassmann...
« on: August 11, 2004, 01:51:53 PM »
...to the Wall Street Journal regarding the SwiftVets:

Shame on the Swift Boat
Veterans for Bush

By JIM RASSMANN
August 10, 2004

I came to know Lt. John Kerry during the spring of 1969. He and his swift boat crew assisted in inserting our Special Forces team and our Chinese Nung soldiers into operational sites in the Cau Mau Peninsula of South Vietnam. I worked with him on many operations and saw firsthand his leadership, courage and decision-making ability under fire.

On March 13, 1969, John Kerry's courage and leadership saved my life.

While returning from a SEA LORDS operation along the Bay Hap River, a mine detonated under another swift boat. Machine-gun fire erupted from both banks of the river, and a second explosion followed moments later. The second blast blew me off John's swift boat, PCF-94, throwing me into the river. Fearing that the other boats would run me over, I swam to the bottom of the river and stayed there as long as I could hold my breath.

When I surfaced, all the swift boats had left, and I was alone taking fire from both banks. To avoid the incoming fire, I repeatedly swam under water as long as I could hold my breath, attempting to make it to the north bank of the river. I thought I would die right there. The odds were against me avoiding the incoming fire and, even if I made it out of the river, I thought I'd be captured and executed. Kerry must have seen me in the water and directed his driver, Del Sandusky, to turn the boat around. Kerry's boat ran up to me in the water, bow on, and I was able to climb up a cargo net to the lip of the deck. But, because I was nearly upside down, I couldn't make it over the edge of the deck. This left me hanging out in the open, a perfect target. John, already wounded by the explosion that threw me off his boat, came out onto the bow, exposing himself to the fire directed at us from the jungle, and pulled me aboard.

For his actions that day, I recommended John for the Silver Star, our country's third highest award for bravery under fire. I learned only this past January that the Navy awarded John the Bronze Star with Combat V for his valor. The citation for this award, signed by the Commander of U.S. Naval Forces, Vietnam, Vice Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, read, "Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry's calmness, professionalism and great personal courage under fire were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service." To this day I am grateful to John Kerry for saving my life. And to this day I still believe that he deserved the Silver Star for his courage.

It has been many years since I served in Vietnam. I returned home, got married, and spent many years as a deputy sheriff for Los Angeles County. I retired in 1989 as a lieutenant. It has been a long time since I left Vietnam, but I think often of the men who did not come home with us.

I am neither a politician nor an organizer. I am a retired police officer with a passion for orchids. Until January of this year, the only public presentations I made were about my orchid hobby. But in this presidential election, I had to speak out; I had to tell the American people about John Kerry, about his wisdom and courage, about his vision and leadership. I would trust John Kerry with my life, and I would entrust John Kerry with the well-being of our country.

Nobody asked me to join John's campaign. Why would they? I am a Republican, and for more than 30 years I have largely voted for Republicans. I volunteered for his campaign because I have seen John Kerry in the worst of conditions. I know his character. I've witnessed his bravery and leadership under fire. And I truly know he will be a great commander in chief.

Now, 35 years after the fact, some Republican-financed Swift Boat Veterans for Bush are suddenly lying about John Kerry's service in Vietnam; they are calling him a traitor because he spoke out against the Nixon administration's failed policies in Vietnam. Some of these Republican-sponsored veterans are the same ones who spoke out against John at the behest of the Nixon administration in 1971. But this time their attacks are more vicious, their lies cut deep and are directed not just at John Kerry, but at me and each of his crewmates as well. This hate-filled ad asserts that I was not under fire; it questions my words and Navy records. This smear campaign has been launched by people without decency, people who don't understand the bond of those who serve in combat.

As John McCain noted, the television ad aired by these veterans is "dishonest and dishonorable." Sen. McCain called on President Bush to condemn the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush ad. Regrettably, the president has ignored Sen. McCain's advice.

Does this strategy of attacking combat Vietnam veterans sound familiar? In 2000, a similar Republican smear campaign was launched against Sen. McCain. In fact, the very same communications group, Spaeth Communications, that placed ads against John McCain in 2000 is involved in these vicious attacks against John Kerry. Texas Republican donors with close ties to George W. Bush and Karl Rove crafted this "dishonest and dishonorable" ad. Their new charges are false; their stories are fabricated, made up by people who did not serve with Kerry in Vietnam. They insult and defame all of us who served in Vietnam.

But when the noise and fog of their distortions and lies have cleared, a man who volunteered to serve his country, a man who showed up for duty when his country called, a man to whom the United States Navy awarded a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, will stand tall and proud. Ultimately, the American people will judge these Swift Boat Veterans for Bush and their accusations. Americans are tired of smear campaigns against those who volunteered to wear the uniform. Swift Boat Veterans for Bush should hang their heads in shame.

Mr. Rassmann, a retired lieutenant with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, served with the U.S. Army 5th Special Forces Group in Vietnam 1968-69.


My comment, I'd like to see a face to face meetup between Mr. Rassmann and those who are calling him a liar.

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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2004, 02:17:28 PM »
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Originally posted by MrLars
.My comment, I'd like to see a face to face meetup between Mr. Rassmann and those who are calling him a liar.



give this post a few minutes and there will be plenty of experts here that will also.

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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2004, 02:20:18 PM »
Hmmm... Hadn't heard about McCain's reaction. Interesting.
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2004, 02:25:10 PM »
Well....

Where is VOSS I am sure he was there :D :D
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2004, 02:25:33 PM »
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Hmmm... Hadn't heard about McCain's reaction. Interesting.


Interesting, but not surprising since many of the same people attacked McCain also.  At least they are bipartisan.

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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2004, 03:01:02 PM »
Thanks for posting mrlars. Found it very informative and Jim Rassman is an awsome
American!

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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2004, 03:25:30 PM »
And he did it without a mouth guard to boot!  chyah huh.


 FYI did you know that Bush heroicially AND SINGLE HANDEDLY saved an intern with a potentially scarring paper cut on his index finger while working in Alabama during his "break" from defending the US from Soviet aggressions. After dousing the cut in Cold Turkey and sedating the intern, who was going into shock, with several lines of quality Columbian he had a taxi drive the kid to an Emergency room

 Try that John squealing Kerry

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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2004, 03:32:16 PM »
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Regrettably, the president has ignored Sen. McCain's advice.


actually the bush camp has spoke out against ALL 527 group adds involving this campaign.  

Not saying this guy is a liar but there is in FACT other people that were THERE on other boats within 10FT of this guy that say his version is inaccurate at best.  

Dont just discount the other vets because they are against Kerry.  There's 3 sides to every story.....his, theirs, and the truth!

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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2004, 04:48:51 PM »
Quite right, Gunslinger.  Mr. Rassmann’s letter should be taken for what it is; a sincere effort to support a man whom Mr. Rassmann feels saved his life, and at some risk to his own.  From what I’ve read regarding Rassmann’s account and the accounts from the swiftboat vets present on nearby boats, the accounts don’t disagree on most of the facts.  Rassman was indeed thrown into the water when a mine exploded close aboard (along with several other members of the boat that hit the mine).  Those other men were picked up by another swiftboat, even before Rassmann was fished out.  Where the accounts are at odds are in some of the details.  The one member of Kerry’s crew that was there but doesn’t support Kerry has said that (a) Kerry’s swiftboat didn’t go back for Rassman immediately, but waited for the enemy fire to subside; (b) that Kerry’s wounds were partially (though unintentionally) self-inflicted.  The contusion on his arm was a result of the mine that threw Rassmann from Kerry’s boat (being thrown against the pilothouse).  However, he also had some shrapnel wounds in his buttocks.  The later, according to this dissenting crewmember, were caused a bit earlier in the patrol, when Kerry fired a grenade into a rice sampan that was too close.  As far as that goes, Rassmann doesn’t say explicitly that he was under fire when pulled to safety.  However, he does indicate that he was in the water for some amount of time before hauling himself up the side of the boat, and then being assisted over the side by Kerry.

A regular charge by the Kerry camp and its supporters that these 200-plus men (the Swiftboat Veterans) who were in Kerry’s unit at the same time as Kerry did not “serve” with him. Thus they couldn’t have know him, couldn’t have seen anything that went on during these events, and thus their testimony is worthless.  This is the most bogus argument I’ve ever heard.  Anyone who has been in the military will recognize this as faulty logic.  I was part of a maintenance team in my enlisted days.  Yes, I spent a majority of my time with the same half-dozen people, but I pretty much knew all the other maintenance troops.  I knew who was reliable, who was a goof off, and who was simply out to get promoted.  In the case of the swiftboats, they rarely if ever went out on patrols alone (just like fighters and bombers don’t lone-wolf it).  They were usually anywhere from a dozen yards to a hundred yards apart, and had a good view of what other boats were doing.

In the end, I wasn’t there, so I can’t know personally what happened.  I do know that Kerry has already been proven to have lied a number of times about his activities during the war (reference the “Christmas in Cambodia, 1968” story).  So, you have 10 guys that back Kerry’s version of events, and over 200 say different.  They all need to be heard, and the people will then decide on election day who they believe.  Why?  Because Kerry himself has made his Vietnam service a central reason to vote him.  That being the case, it is reasonable for the media to investigate it, however loath they may be to do so.  Simply calling the Swiftboat Vets all liars does not make it so; neither should their charges that Kerry acted dishonorably be accepted at face-value.
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2004, 05:01:23 PM »
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 I do know that Kerry has already been proven to have lied a number of times about his activities during the war (reference the “Christmas in Cambodia, 1968” story).


Reference this please. His comments on to congress spanned two presidents, Nixon and Johnson. Those comments regarding Cambodia are easily confused because of the transistion in '69.

Mr. Rassmann was SF, I suspect he knows hostile fire when he sees it and valor when it saves his life.

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2004, 05:14:11 PM »
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Reference this please. His comments on to congress spanned two presidents, Nixon and Johnson. Those comments regarding Cambodia are easily confused because of the transistion in '69.

Mr. Rassmann was SF, I suspect he knows hostile fire when he sees it and valor when it saves his life.


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132 Cong.Rec. S3564-02
AMENDMENT NO. 1718
(Purpose: To restrict assistance to the Nicaraguan democratic resistance to humanitarian assistance, and for other purposes)

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The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Massachusetts is recognized.

Mr. KERRY. Thank you, Mr. President...

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Finally, President Nixon, 1970. "In cooperation with the armed forces of South Vietnam, attacks are being launched this week to clear out major enemy sanctuaries on the Cambodian-Vietnam border."

Mr. President, I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the President of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia.

I have that memory which is seared-seared-in me, that says to me, before we send another generation into harm's way we have a responsibility in the U.S. Senate to go the last step, to make the best effort possible in order to avoid that kind of conflict.

Mr. President, good intentions are not enough to keep us out of harms way.


Well....

Richard Nixon did not become president of the United States until twenty-six days after John Kerry’s Christmas in Cambodia.


WHAT REALLY HAPPENED: CHRISTMAS IN VIETNAM

Despite the dramatic memories of his Christmas in Cambodia, Kerry’s statements are complete lies. Kerry was never in Cambodia during Christmas 1968, or at all during the Vietnam War. In reality, during Christmas 1968, he was more than fifty miles away from Cambodia. Kerry was never ordered into Cambodia by anyone and would have been court-martialed had he gone there.

During Christmas 1968, Kerry was stationed at Coastal Division 13 in Cat Lo. Coastal Division 13’s patrol areas extended to Sa Dec, about fifty-five miles from the Cambodian border. Areas closer than fifty-five miles to the Cambodian border in the area of the Mekong River were patrolled by PBRs, a small river patrol craft, and not by Swift Boats. Preventing border crossings was considered so important at the time that an LCU (a large, mechanized landing craft) and several PBRs were stationed to ensure that no one could cross the border.

A large sign at the border prohibited entry. Tom Anderson, Commander of River Division 531, who was in charge of the PBRs, confirmed that there were no Swifts anywhere in the area and that they would have been stopped had they appeared.

All the living commanders in Kerry’s chain of command—Joe Streuhli (Commander of CosDiv 13), George Elliott (Commander of CosDiv 11), Adrian Lonsdale (Captain, USCG and Commander, Coastal Surveillance Center at An Thoi), Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann (Commander, Coastal Surveillance Force Vietnam, CTF 115), and Rear Admiral Art Price (Commander of River Patrol Force, CTF 116)—deny that Kerry was ever ordered to Cambodia. They indicate that Kerry would have been seriously disciplined or court-martialed had he gone there. At least three of the five crewmen on Kerry’s PCF 44 boat—Bill Zaldonis, Steven Hatch, and Steve Gardner—deny that they or their boat were ever in Cambodia. The remaining two crewmen declined to be interviewed for this book. Gardner, in particular, will never forget those days in late December when he was wounded on PCF 44, not in Cambodia, but many miles away in Vietnam.


 




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Mr. Rassmann was SF, I suspect he knows hostile fire when he sees it and valor when it saves his life.


I wont dispute that but there were 20 other people there at the time and he himself admits he is underwater as much as possible.

again this is just one account from the story.
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2004, 12:02:10 AM »
Today,on my way to pick up some material, I heard a fella being interviewed.  I left his rank and name at work. He said he was not assigned to the swift boats,but was assigned to the base. One of his jobs was to handle all after action reports for the swiftys based there.

    He said there were several boats involved. A boat to the right and about 45 yards behind kerrys boat exploded a mine. In that boat the skipper and someone at stearn was blowen overboard. Another person at the bow of the third boat lost his grip and went over.

   Rassmann was at the stearn of kerrys boat, upon rapid accelleration rassmann fell over the stearn. Rassmann wrote in the report that as he was falling he heard tramendous firing of automatic weapons. when he hit the water he took a deep breath to dive toward the bottom for protection from enemy fire.When he just had to,  he came up for air,  and there was no firing.

  In the mean time the one boat was dead in the water.SOP in this case is for the other boats to shield the damaged one. Yes Rassmann did hear firing, it was the fiftys and one thirty opening up.SOP was each boat was given a side to to fire at. The damaged boat hit there side of shore with 1 fifty. The other 2 hit the other shore.Kerrys boat moved forward not firing. the move was to get away from enemy.  At that moment everone thought they were under fire. After approx 2 min they all knew they were not under fire and stopped firing.

  One boat picked up the other 2 in the water and was heading to Rassmann. In the mean time kerrys boat had turned around and started back. The boat that picked up the other 2 was just starting for Rassmann when kerry told them he would get him.
  More than one was slightly wounded.

    Only kerry ,Rassmann,and crew said they were under fire. All the others said they thought they were under fire, but they were not.      Anyway I dont vouch for any of this. This guy said he heard all the hoop la and contacted the swiftys 2 weeks ago. They are now trying to verify his story,the guy said they didnt need kerrys records there were other ways to get all the reports.

    He was asked how he remembered all this, he said  what he did was boring and when something exciting happens it stands out.   Seems 1 boat disagreeing with 3 others on enemy fire only, and a young LT making a big stink about a purple heart was exciting. He said no papers for purple heart came thru his office and he was still there after kerry went home.Couldnt speak to anything else.
   whatever??

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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2004, 01:00:45 AM »
LIES!!
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2004, 01:11:45 AM »
SEX.

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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2004, 01:36:37 AM »
But thank goodness one is talking about Bush and Kerry's actual political platforms and records.  :aok