NS-37 Question...

[Sikboy]

Was the NS-37 ever operationally used on the IL-2?

Conversely, was the Vya-23 operationally used on the Yak-9?

I've read about a Yak-9 prototype that was created to accept a range of guns, including the Vya-23, but I've never seen if this was actually carried out on any grand scale.

WRT the IL-2 armed with NS-37s... That just sounds like a good idea, since the AP NS-37 should have had much better penetration than the Vya-23.

-Sik

[1K3]

The IL-2 Type 3M (the one we have in AH is Il-2 type 3 without the M designation) is was also armed with NS-37.

I think HTC should rename Il-2 Type 3 to Il-2 Type 3M (!) so we can have the 37mm cannon option.

[Karnak]

Yes, the Il-2 was used operationally with the NS-37 carrying AP ammo.

I don't know about the Yak with the 23mm VYa.  The La-9 did use the 23mm VYa though.

[1K3]

We need teh NS-37 to kill/disable Main Battle Tanks!

The Vya 23 is not enough to kill MBTs, should only be used against APCs, half tracks, and convoys.

[Sikboy]

I would like to see the NS-37 AP on the IL-2. That should be a mean gun.

Perhaps when they re-do the model for AH2 specs,  we might see something like this. It would be a good companion to the Ju-87G

-Sik

[Tony Williams]

AFAIK none of the Yak fighters used the VYa-23 (although the Yak-9T did use the NS-37).

Apart from the Il-2, the VYa was fitted to some LaGG-3 but that's about it, save for some prototypes. Pity, really, it was a good gun. Weighed little more than a Hispano and had a slightly lower RoF but a lot more punch.

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[dankes]

NS-37 were used on IL-2M3. Proved not too much effective against tanks though.

IIRC VYa were never mounted on operational Yaks.

@Karnak
LA-9 didn't use VYa, it used NS-23 - this is different cannon, different cartridge

@Tony Williams
VYa did fitted to some early LaGGs. Gun was good, but had high recoil plus ammo load was at about 60 rds. Compare ShVAK and VYa cartidges. I'll post a pic here if I manage to find it.

[dankes]

20x99R




23x151B





http://www.geocities.com/russianammo/index2.html

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by 1K3
We need teh NS-37 to kill/disable Main Battle Tanks!

The Vya 23 is not enough to kill MBTs, should only be used against APCs, half tracks, and convoys.

Uhhm no.

The 23mm disables PzIV incredibly easily. Due to its higer rof and more ammo load I'll say the 23mm is a vastly superior anti-tank and air to air gun than that pos 37mm.  In fact I think the 23mm is by far the best all around gun in AH.

[Furball]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
In fact I think the 23mm is by far the best all around gun in AH.

whaaaaaaaaaat? better than the UBER 50 sniper-calazers insta kill to 1k+ on the b17!?!?!

[TimRas]

Originally posted by Sikboy

I've read about a Yak-9 prototype that was created to accept a range of guns, including the Vya-23, but I've never seen if this was actually carried out on any grand scale.

Perhaps you mean Yak-9UT. Instead of ShVAK 20 mm cannon and 2 UBS 12.7 mm machine guns of the Yak-9U, Yak -9UT featured 37 mm engine-mounted cannon and 2 synchronized B-20S 20 mm cannons. Provisions were made to install such engine-mounted guns as B-20M, NS-23, or N-45. To install the last of these, it was necessary to remove the port-side mounted synchronized B-20S gun.

NS-23 was less powerful than Vya-23 but it still had shell weight twice of that of B-20.

Yak-9UT would be nice addition to AH, btw.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Furball
whaaaaaaaaaat? better than the UBER 50 sniper-calazers insta kill to 1k+ on the b17!?!?!

LOL.

But seriously its waay better than hispano, much easier to hit long dstance and does much more damage. Just ask some of the fighters who try to attack my IL2 and happend to overshoot.

[Tony Williams]

This is what you're looking for:


The 12.7x99 is of course the .50, the 20x110 the Hispano (the ShVAK is a 20x99R, more the size of the .50 with a bigger projectile), the 23x152B is the VYa, and the 37x195 the NS-37.

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[Sikboy]

Originally posted by TimRas
Perhaps you mean Yak-9UT

No, it wasn't the UT I'll have to look, but I don't have any references here at work (which is probably for the best lol).

I agree that the UT would be awesome in the MA, a 37 and 20x2 loadout would be pretty sweet, along the lines of the 109s with th 30 and pods.

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Uhhm no.

The 23mm disables PzIV incredibly easily. Due to its higer rof and more ammo load I'll say the 23mm is a vastly superior anti-tank and air to air gun than that pos 37mm. In fact I think the 23mm is by far the best all around gun in AH.

Grun, In game, I would suggest that the NS-37 isn't very effective against tanks, since it's firing HE rounds. I would imagine with AP rounds it would make an effective AT gun, especially with a more stable platform than the Yak-9T. According to Tony's website, it had a higher MV, and a heavier round. The ROF would suck, but you're shooting at a slow target from above.

You'd have fewer shot ops, but need fewer hits. This doesn't even take into account the greater armor penetration of the 37 mm AP round, which should (I would think anyhow) allow for a greater variance of agle to achieve the same results as the 23mm.

I think the Key to all of this is to remember that the NS-37 we have on the Yak-9T is meant for Air to Air use, and it's actually a decent gun for that (assuming you fire only 1-3 rounds a burst) as it will down any fighter in the game with one hit.

I don't have nearly enough IL-2 sticktime, and that's something I'm going to work on this tour.

-Sik

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Tony Williams
AFAIK none of the Yak fighters used the VYa-23 (although the Yak-9T did use the NS-37).

Apart from the Il-2, the VYa was fitted to some LaGG-3 but that's about it, save for some prototypes. Pity, really, it was a good gun. Weighed little more than a Hispano and had a slightly lower RoF but a lot more punch.

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and discussion
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Thanks for the Response Tony. Your website is excellent, and has really increased my interest in military arms.

-Sik