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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2004, 12:26:38 AM »
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Non-Rook squads are not hurt by Rook numbers but by their own inability to COOPERATE or depart from their (apparent) furball and runway vulching missions. THAT'S what is hurting non-Rook squads - not Rook numbers...

That is complete bull and you know it.

You try logging on every day for a week and always being down to two to four bases, no dar and all fields being suppressed and then you come back and say it doesn't hurt the players on that side.


All you effing whiners keep talking about how you're being denied doing what you want to do sometimes.  Well eff you.  Every time I log on to see a few supressed bases and no dar I am denied doing what I want to do to every single time.  Somehow that doesn't register at all with you simple minded I WANT MY P-51D NOW!!!! WAAAAHHHHH!!!!!! types.


As to your comments regarding the Mossie, it is clear you have no concept of how to actually fight.  Dive, bomb and run like chickens is your plane of attack?:rofl
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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2004, 12:31:04 AM »
I can honestly say that I have not logged on in a very long time to see a reset imminent (on behalf of the Rooks). I have seen Rooks work very hard towards a reset and after hours and hours seen it snatched away from us at the very last moment by Bish or Knights.

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Every time I log on to see a few supressed bases and no dar I am denied doing what I want to do to every single time.
Perhaps because you are the lone-wolf type who prefers to fight in the MA without having to work with your squadmates ?


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As to your comments regarding the Mossie, it is clear you have no concept of how to actually fight.  Dive, bomb and run like chickens is your plane of attack?:rofl


Please make sure you use MY words when quoting me. I will be sure to return the favor.

You must be the typical base diver who gets 1 or 2 vulches before dying from ACK or base defense. The point of a JABO is NOT to die in the ack, but to get back up to some reasonable altitude to make another pass or engage in a dogfight. The Mossie being such a stellar JABO choice must be the reason I never see a single Mossie raid to a base.

By the way, since there are no actual statistics being made available to us to back up what either of us is saying regarding base availability and country resets - you can disregard this post and I will completely disregard yours.
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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2004, 12:31:27 AM »
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That is complete bull and you know it.

You try logging on every day for a week and always being down to two to four bases, no dar and all fields being suppressed and then you come back and say it doesn't hurt the players on that side.


All you effing whiners keep talking about how you're being denied doing what you want to do sometimes.  Well eff you.  Every time I log on to see a few supressed bases and no dar I am denied doing what I want to do to every single time.  Somehow that doesn't register at all with you simple minded I WANT MY P-51D NOW!!!! WAAAAHHHHH!!!!!! types.


As to your comments regarding the Mossie, it is clear you have no concept of how to actually fight.  Dive, bomb and run like chickens is your plane of attack?:rofl


Preach on brother Karnak!!!  :D

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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2004, 12:35:08 AM »
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I honestly can say that I have not logged on in a very long time to see a reset imminent (on behalf of the Rooks). I have seen Rooks work very hard towards a reset and after hours and hours seen it snatched away from us at the very last moment by Bish or Knights.

Since there are no actual statistics to back up what either of us is saying - you can disregard this post and I will completely disregard yours.

I don't need statistics.  It is a description of what happened two weeks ago.

Every day I logged on the Knights were in the corner, completely outnumbered and with Rooks and Bish (I don't look to see who, red is red) overhead preventing any fights from happening.  That is a denial of service to me and as I pay the same as you do, I likewise deserve to have a shot at some air-to-air combat.
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2004, 12:36:13 AM »
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Let's see... 10 Mossies diving from 10K to the field.... BANG !

Oh, there goes our elevators. Also, 10 Mossies would be ganged by the normal cloud of La7's, 109's, Spits, etc... waiting to meet them. Mossy can't extend away from even a Yak.


Actually a while back my squad did a mossie run.. I think we had about 10 mossies, and when we landed I believe there was something like 45 total kills on the one sortie.. I have a screenshot of it somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.  

Honestly, if you limit your speed in a dive, the mossie can take quite a bit of torture, and if you fly it enough, there are ways to keep the yaks on their toes.  The firepower however is hard to beat   =)    I like to fly it for fun.

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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2004, 12:39:41 AM »
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choose a different plane. or do you suck so bad that only the best planes will do for you?


His ability to fly other planes isn't really relevant is it?  He WANTS to fly a certain type of plane and the current plan is to deny him that option without forcing him to change countries.

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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2004, 12:39:59 AM »
Frankly, I would rather have seen the aircraft in question be perked than disabled.  Say, start at 20 perk points and work their way up from there.

But that isn't what we got, so for the time being we have to live with it.  As Pyro said it will be tweaked.
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2004, 12:40:23 AM »
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Holy crap!  Do you think this might be what Hitech was trying to DO?


Long as they don't cancel their accounts... what does HiTech care?

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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2004, 12:40:59 AM »
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His ability to fly other planes isn't really relevant is it?  He WANTS to fly a certain type of plane and the current plan is to deny him that option without forcing him to change countries.


Instead of being denied his P-51D he wants to deny me all aircraft.  Nice.
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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2004, 12:44:11 AM »
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Actually a while back my squad did a mossie run.. I think we had about 10 mossies, and when we landed I believe there was something like 45 total kills on the one sortie.. I have a screenshot of it somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.  

Honestly, if you limit your speed in a dive, the mossie can take quite a bit of torture, and if you fly it enough, there are ways to keep the yaks on their toes.  The firepower however is hard to beat   =)    I like to fly it for fun.

--Mike/Howitzer


I agree Howitzer, if you limit your speed in the dive - you can survive the attempt (and pull out gently at the other end). This is also true for the P-38, which makes a great JABO plane if you are careful not to compress in the dive. The problem isn't entry into the bombing phase, but having the speed to climb out of the well before the base defense dives in on your 6 and blows you out of the air. If I dive flap, cut throttle and spiral in with the 38 - I typically don't have the E to climb back out and away from the La7 and 190 200ft behind me (at that point).

By the way - did your Mossie mission go into a capped field ? Were the kills "A2A" or GV and runway vulches ? Did you have any light fighter escort with you ?
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« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2004, 12:48:17 AM »
omg this is to good to be true!
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« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2004, 12:48:44 AM »
My record streak in the Mossie, air-to-air, is 31 kills before I collided with a Spitfire while going for #32.

To be clear, these were not all in one mission.  They weren't even in one night.

It can be used air-to-air.  La-7s are a real issue though, you are right there.  I have won a one on one Mossie v La-7 from a co-E or worse position a total of 3 times that I can recall.
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« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2004, 12:48:45 AM »
every day for a week and always being down to two to four bases, no dar and all fields being suppressed

Now that is a bunch of crap.  That means there was at least 7 if not more resets that week:rofl   When did that happen because I sure missed it:lol :lol :lol :rofl

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« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2004, 12:50:13 AM »
In at least one case (the only time I checked later before  going to bed) the Knights had fought back to about 10 bases and had the numbers to hold out.  However, that happened after the time I could play.
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« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2004, 12:50:57 AM »
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Frankly, I would rather have seen the aircraft in question be perked than disabled.  Say, start at 20 perk points and work their way up from there.

But that isn't what we got, so for the time being we have to live with it.  As Pyro said it will be tweaked.


On this we can certainly agree. Perking is a known constraint and would be easier to understand and accept. The argument then becomes whether the perk system needs a completel "redo" to level anomaly planes like the La7.

Tonight I saw the SpitXIV perked at 40 and the Tempest at 45.... geee... tough decision there as to which one was the better value....


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