would people be crying more if

[Pongo]

Thier take off is delayed because of restricting the sorti rate? Or do they whine more because they cant fly the plane they "love" for the Country they "love"?

I think the sorti rate would have had less whining. And a better game effect.

[Kev367th]

I think the sortie limit would have caused even more complaints. Think of the poor newb constantly getting killed having to wait x mins to re-up. After he finishes his 2 week freebie, bye bye.

[SC-Sp00k]

Not only the newbie. I spent enough time getting to the fight in the air, let alone, twiddling my thumbs sitting on the ground.

[XtrmeJ]

It never ends. Best thing to do IMO is to have restricted flights from certain fields. If a country has a numbers advantage, disable frontline fields maybe 2 sectors from those fields. But then we'd have increased alt monkey whines. I give up.

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by Pongo
Thier take off is delayed because of restricting the sorti rate? Or do they whine more because they cant fly the plane they "love" for the Country they "love"?

I think the sorti rate would have had less whining. And a better game effect.

It would be worse with a restricted sortie rate. Think about it, all of the folks sitting in the tower with nothing to do but complain .

[SunKing]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
It would be worse with a restricted sortie rate. Think about it, all of the folks sitting in the tower with nothing to do but complain .

agreed, would be a terrible decision.

[milnko]

Just my opinion, but if HTC would implemented a 4th country none of this complaining would have hadda happen at all.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by milnko
Just my opinion, but if HTC would implemented a 4th country none of this complaining would have hadda happen at all.

Good idea, we can take all the La-7 pilots, and make a 4th country, called the "queens"

-Sik

I Kid, I kid, I have nothing against the La-7 guys, they are my favorite to fight against.

[bj229r]

WB had a 4th country---noone flew in it, except when close to reset so they could get new flanking positions

[milnko]

I flew WBs for quite a while in 1998-99 and it seemed to me the purps and golds often fought it out while the reds and greens battled each other.

I would have been all for joining the "new" country to balance the sides... more so than am I willing to switch to one of the existing countries, as I've been here since beta and have seen every country take it's turn  'in the bucket" as well as be "THE HORDE".  

Besides the new system adds nothing to the game except restrictions.

It woulda added more realism to the game if HT had restricted the fuel, ordanance, and troops available to the "horde" country, instead of the restricting planes.

It seems to me a bit more logical that large numbers of "population" would overburden supply lines.

Less fuel equals less range and shorter flights, fewer bombs and bullets mean landing often to rearm, and less troops means fewer bases that can be captured.

All of which allows the "underpopulated" countries time to organize a defense.

Obviously as the number of players drop in a country more of the above would be available to each player.

The change doesn't effect our squad all that much as we don't fly a particular plane type regularly, but I can empathize with some squads being upset with the limitations on thier historic rides.

[Furious]

Milnko, what your idea does is artificially increase the amount of time it would take to reset a map.

If you push a team down to 3 fields and no dar, they are gonna log off.  Now your idea hits the leading team and they can't finish it.  That's not gonna help an outnumberd team bounce back, that's gonna leave 'em in a crappy situation longer.

[4510]

Originally posted by Pongo
Thier take off is delayed because of restricting the sorti rate? Or do they whine more because they cant fly the plane they "love" for the Country they "love"?

I think the sorti rate would have had less whining. And a better game effect.

I would suggest not a sortie rate... but a location limitation.  If the strongest country is backed into a corner... so what.... leave the plane set alone.  Once the start moving the front line.... at a point where they own X% of the map... then limit the plane set.  However the limitation would be limiting certain planes to only the ME163 field near HQ for example.  Everyone could still have the planes they want... they just would have to fly them a little further to the fight.

[milnko]

Originally posted by Furious
Milnko, what your idea does is artificially increase the amount of time it would take to reset a map.

If you push a team down to 3 fields and no dar, they are gonna log off.  Now your idea hits the leading team and they can't finish it.  That's not gonna help an outnumberd team bounce back, that's gonna leave 'em in a crappy situation longer.

You're probably right, but then I didn't see a need to patch the game in the first place either.

You know as well as I do that the numbers rotate, it was only a matter of time before the Rooks lost the advantage.

[moot]

Don't completely forbid, just penalize or handicap instead.

It'd be better if the ENY-balancing was localized for each field relative to the (front line, for ex.) conditions.

[Toad]

All any of the suggestions, in any of the various threads, address is the symptoms. None address the cause, thus there will be perpetual whining no matter what "solution" is implemented.

Does restricting aircraft availability address the reason why people horde? No.

Does instituting a "time out" address the reason why people gangbang a country? No.

The game is set up to "reward" the achievement of a goal. That goal is "resetting" one of the countries and "winning". The most effective way to achieve that goal is by steamrollering a particular country using overwhelming numbers.

Until that changes, these band-aid fixes will be tried with varying amounts of success and lots of salty tears from lots of unhappy players.

Enjoy.