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« Reply #60 on: August 16, 2004, 10:17:42 PM »
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Do you dispute what I have said? A quick look at the CT tour scores and a review of the CT forum clearly shows the majority of CT regulars are in Navy / Marine or Allied squads.


While that is true on the face of it, what this does not show is most of them regularly fly Axis, most notably VF-17, VF-27, and 880 Sqn. I would go so far as to say VF-17 and VF-27 as a group fly twice as many hours  Axis as they do Allied.

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« Reply #61 on: August 16, 2004, 10:39:22 PM »
But grits on the oppsite, you have squads like 490thBG *Skulls &Wings*, and P6e's that really dont fly anything but allies.
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« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2004, 10:48:04 PM »
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Reschke I will send you the ip and pw. We all fly FB/AEP (Aces Expansion Pack) FB alone is not compatible with AEP. The current AEP version is 2.04. We all need the same version to be able to fly together.


I have AEP installed and will be updating it this week. Thanks Wotan.
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« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2004, 10:53:19 PM »
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Reschke,  here is the BBS Fourm for Pacific Fighters... it has updates and information on it.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/6/ubb.x?a=frm&s=400102&f=26310365


Thanks Stream I haven't been to the site since I formatted the hard drive and lost all my links due to the recent virus on the computer.
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« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2004, 11:15:50 PM »
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But grits on the oppsite, you have squads like 490thBG *Skulls &Wings*, and P6e's that really dont fly anything but allies.


That is true, some dont ever fly Axis, but the generalization of saying the majority of CT squads and players are Navy/Marine/Allied, while technically true, doesnt tell the whole story.

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« Reply #65 on: August 16, 2004, 11:34:04 PM »
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But grits on the oppsite, you have squads like 490thBG *Skulls &Wings*, and P6e's that really dont fly anything but allies.


Sorry but I flew LW and IJN for four years in WarBirds. I joined AH spacificly to fly the F4U.:)

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« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2004, 11:43:59 PM »
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This is very true.  We also have Shane, and Lev and Eskimo and Eagler and Splash and many others who visit here and will help us with our skills.  The CT is an excellent place for this.

What I'm wondering, Wotan, is really two things.  First, how come you don't fly here anymore, when you've obviously left a piece of yourself with us?  Second, if you don't want to fly here, why would you want to denigrate the efforts of the staffers who still do?

Not a diss, it's a real question.

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No I haven't left any of me there. I just like an opportunity to poke a stick at the Pac War Mafia.

However, I haven't denigrated any staffer. Please point to where I said anything close to that. What I said was Pac set ups suck. They sucked when Brady did umm, they suck when the first one ran and they suck now. I gave my reasons:

1. Disparity in the plane set. Very well is "historical" which on its own is not that bad. Add the other 2 below and Pac setups become garbage.

2. Numbers disparity. Usually but not exclusively but combined with 1 and 3 they are not that fun.

3. Timidity on the part of some players. This is the main contributor to the lameness of Pac set ups. Add in the faster planes and it gets even worse.

With all those guys you listed you would figure that a few CT’rs would follow them about and see how they do it.

That has nothing to do with the staffers. I only think 1 staffer sucks arse but I would never say so who. Unlike the farm bois who have no qualms about insulting a "staffer". Some of them made a CT career out of it.

Please don't confuse me with them.

Here's my original post, please point out where I denigrated a staffer:

 
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That’s hardly surprising since the majority who live in the ct are in some sort of allied/navy squad.

Those who fly the ct occasionally and post even less just skip the crappy Pac set ups altogether.

Catering to a small portion of the entire AH player base (the so called “CT regulars”) won’t increase participation in the CT. Pac setups have always been out of balance in terms of numbers. Lots of allies; fewer axis.

The reason is that these setups are by far out of parity with regards to the plane set. Whether its "historical" or not makes no difference to a player who just wants to get a few fights in without being ganged by some bore and ZZZZZ "just flying smart" player. They can do that in the main while flying a more competitive plane.

With much fast planes and timid pilots it’s just to boring for the average player to suffer through.

Of the 20 guys in the CT 15 of umm love these setups, 5 don’t and anyone else who might have been interested in the CT looks at the match ups and says F'it and goes to the main. Pac set ups have always been that way since Sabre ran the first one.

The trick is to create a set up that considers not just the 15 but to make a set up as competitive as possible regardless of the whines. As HT said on the CT CM forum a long time ago. Never sacrifice game play for historical accuracy.


It was just some friendly unsolicited advice. Take it with a grain of salt.

The only other post that has any thing close to negative in it is my reply to Squire.

Let's just say he and I aren’t friends and leave it at that.

The only other reply besides this one was PF / FB/ AEP related.

One of us has missed something. I will assume it was me and apologize to you if there's there that was misconstrued. I will see you another few months if a thread like this comes a long and I am so inclined as to comment on it. We both know it will. In the mean time have fun and don't mind me too much.

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Reschke,

I misplaced your email addy. I transferred to Thunderbird and must have lost it. Send me one here.

Wotan@fw-190.com

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« Reply #67 on: August 17, 2004, 09:23:45 AM »
Email sent Wotan. Thanks
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« Reply #68 on: August 17, 2004, 10:11:05 AM »
Well, I guess since I precipitated this mud-slinging fest, I should probably clarify what I mean.  I enjoy Pac setups.  I think it makes a good break from the MA.  However, I enjoy Pac setups with some kind of parity, which means early war (P-40 / F4F vs A6M2), or late war (which would be what we have currently, but with the Niki enabled.  Yea, I know the niki is "easy mode" and all that... but it is the only plane that stands a chance against 3v1 bore n zoom odds.  The A6MX has the manueverability to dodge people. but not the firepower to kill them, and the Ki-61 has the firepower to kill people, but not the manueverability to dodge them.  

So if you are going to run a "late-war" Pac set-up (one where the F6F and F4U are enabled), you need the Niki to balance it out.

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« Reply #69 on: August 17, 2004, 10:27:14 AM »
Just wondering, but why not do a setup with a the F4F/P40 and the F4U-1 as a low cost perk ride?  In early '43 in the Solomons F4Us were just starting to arrive and the F4F/P40 still played a big role in the defense of Guadalcanal.  That way you can still have your F4U's for the allied guys, and give the Zero's something to do besides just dodging BnZ passes from the F4Us.

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« Reply #70 on: August 17, 2004, 10:46:24 AM »
We've done that before, but with the F4U not perked. I dont think perking it would help since we so rarely have perked rides that just about everyone has plenty to burn, although it couldnt hurt to try it.

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« Reply #71 on: August 17, 2004, 11:02:39 AM »
Well, just adjust the perk price as need to keep the numbers in line ... just as long as you have a sizeable chunk of the Americans flying the F4F/P-40 it should keep things more interesting for everyone.

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« Reply #72 on: August 17, 2004, 11:32:01 AM »
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I have AEP installed and will be updating it this week. Thanks Wotan.


Reschke,
  If your interested we have a dedicated server if you want to pop in on Hyperlobby.   Just use google and search for Hyperfighter.. and download the client.  Our server is 325th_FG_Server... if your interested.  We will be on there tonight.

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« Reply #73 on: August 17, 2004, 11:43:16 AM »
I support the low cost perk system, it works if you reset the perks, but every time it comes up all the MA whining starts about "my precious perk points, what did you to to them" and the CT staff wont reset them. If they aren't reset, a perk sys in the CT is utterly pointless.
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« Reply #74 on: August 17, 2004, 12:47:08 PM »
The perks aren't the problem in any of these setups. That is why we try to adjust aircraft availability by field instead of by points. I personally think that perks are a waste in the CT. I try to adjust the planes in a setup by base location and that is what I will be doing later tonight. I am also going to enable the Niki for Japan to give them their easy mode fighter.
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