Open Letter to Hitech

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Nilsen
I cant wait to do a comeback to AH

with all this whining about not getting uber planes i can only draw the conclusion that the average skill level has gone down since i left

Based on what I've seen in my month back, you are indeed correct, sir.


And if the odds are soooooo lopsided "all the time" ... if your 20 people defending a field are being hit by 40 enemy planes. How much better off are you if those 40 attackers are La-5's, Hurri-II's, and Hellcats instead of the better planes? Not much, really - you're still going to get plowed.


Frankly, I think the Rook squadrons are missing out on a great opportunity to really generate some angst in the arena. We know HT will get this working right in under a week. In the meanwhile, why not goof around in lesser planes are really bury the opposition with superior numbers? What was that old cigarette ad from the 60's: "I'd rather fight than switch."

[4510]

Originally posted by moot
What's the difference between not flying at all and wasting 5-10min attempting to gain an altitude advantage only to be swarmed by the lopsided numbers?

What are you, blind?  You want to your choice plane, but at the sake of the other player's?

Switch countries already, they SAID they're not final on the exact ENY balancing curve, just like every other new system implementation they've made in the past.

Nearly every comment needs to be prefaced with.... "excluding Sundays"... I just haven't seen it where the Rooks (which is what everyone keeps saying) have a numbers advantage over the COMBINED strength of the other two countries.  As I've said in countless threads, the three country model was designed so the two underdogs would adjust their efforts so that each devoted enough energy to counter the largest country.  If they choose not to do that, shame on them.  They have a tool designed specifically to deal with balancing numbers.  If they refuse to use it they need to be slapped upside the head with a cold mackeral, not coddled with an "oh  poor baby... we'll change the game code to assist you. "

So to whomever you ask "are you blind?"  I'd have to turn the question back... the folks that have a numbers balance issue... "are THEY blind?"  They can't see how to effectively use the three country model?  They need to have code adjusted because they are...

a.  blind
b.  unwilling
c.   incapable

to see and use the three country model correctly?

I

[Arlo]

Hi back

Originally posted by dtango

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• The statistics were not a critique of HTC'S business.[/B]

Then what were they?

Originally posted by dtango

• Asking questions in the arena = HTC being an atypical business?  Seems a bit of a stretch to me.  Not sure I agree with that.[/B]

How so? Not many businesses are actually the passion of their owners. The ones that are would be atypical if your statistic is to be considered typical.

Originally posted by dtango

• HTC doesn't have any competition?  I seriously doubt that's their view.[/B]

I didn't say "any." There is not tons of competition for HTC. WWII air combat MMOGs are not as plentiful as you seem to think. Those that exist have quite a few shortcomings when compared to AHII. It's not going to be like MCI versus ATT vesus the local phone company all calling you on a daily basis with deals that undercut their competitor and a chance to switch over for free as well.

Originally posted by dtango

• In the IT field for every negative experience it takes a 37 positive experiences to overcome the one negative one.[/B]

And here there were hundreds of negative comments made daily on open channels about everything from gangbanging to HOing to LA7s to big maps to small maps to ... you name it .... half of which are accompanied by threats to quit or switch or some such. Few of which carry actual weight behind them.

Originally posted by dtango

• From my experience in running a service org I'll believe the statistics regarding what a complaint indicates.

You can believe what you want. I've offered a counter-point that's probably just as valid, if not more so.

[Rino]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
From your earlier post in response to MOIL:

 

Please try to be more consistent in the future.


The response I expected to see to a lot of the "whines" was something more along the lines of: "Just give HT a week or so to tweak and tune the system." Instead it's "don't let the door hit you on the way out" and "fly another plane, princess."

     Well, to me, there is a big difference between someone
intelligently posting their troubles and looking for help here
as opposed to these guys electronically stamping their feet,
crying and acting like a spoiled 2 year old.

     Also have never understood the cry for attention "I'm leaving"
bid.  The serious ones will just leave, the rest just want someone
to pat them on the head and tell them they will be missed.

     As a side note, damn old age kicked your butt Dok.  On GEnie
boards you'd have gladly slammed these guys while toothpicking
babies out of your chops  Now you're mellow yellow.

[Flayed1]

I like this new system just last night  the rooks had a few more #'s and this system killed the lala and a few other planes then the #'s evened out and it went back to normal. I personally don't like to fly the lala,109,ect I'm more of an A6M2-FM2 type of guy with a little P51 hit and run on the side as far as fighters go and I fly alot of bombers, so now maybe there will be a bit more variation in the planes I'm fighting against. It gets annoying always havin to try and chase an LA in an FM2 or similar plane hopin that the LA will have the guts to come back and play. Or to be on a bombing run in my B26/KI67 and always have the same hotrod planes jump off the runway and be at = alt in no time blasting away with the big guns, though I must admit I manage to send a good share of em to the ground.
    I guess my point is that it will be nice to see some variation in the planes I'm figting against and have some guys get a little more skilled at some other planes.. SO SUCK IT UP GUYS!!! and go shoot somthin down.  Besides you get more perks for flyin the underdog planes anyway.

  P.S.  I was just usin the LA as an example for the many (hot rods) and was not just targeting the many fine LA pilots we have in this game.

[flyingaround]

Originally posted by Bammer4
Have fun not being able to defend a single base just because there are too many Rooks logged on.  Be sure to count the number of Rooks that leave the game in the first 30 minutes.
Taking a GV to fight with will not make more planes available to your side.
BT

Lost me on this as well.  I wasn't aware a base became "undefendable" because you couldn't fly a yak, la7, niki, or 'stang.  That makes absolutely no sense at all.  
Can't fly la7?  la5 MUCH better at base defence.
No niki/spit?  fly the hurri2c (or 109e/f, c202, zeke etc) they as good or better.
No PonyD? fly a B, or g-10, or typh.
No yak?  see above.

Limiting planes SHOULD have no affect what so ever on a countries ability to defend a base, or attack one.  I have as of yet to see what all the whining is about.  Tried to up a lala this morn, and wasn't able to.  Oh well, picked another ride.  It's not the PLANE that gives one kills, it's the PILOT.  I'll kill 'em no matter WHAT i'm in.  Heck, i've recently started takin' the 110 out as a fighter, and smacking around spit's and niki's with it in knife fights.  

Again, you are not making a valid point, so please try again to clarify HOW not flying low ENY planes keep you from being able to do ANYTHING in AH?

(also lost me w/ the losing perks.  you DO know that you do NOT lose perks when you change countries right???)

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Rino
As a side note, damn old age kicked your butt Dok.  On GEnie
boards you'd have gladly slammed these guys while toothpicking
babies out of your chops  Now you're mellow yellow.

No ... you are mistaken ... if you really think back my arguments were generally thoughtful and constructive until someone felt they could flame me into submission. And then its time to apply the Thermite enema to the offending dweeb - and keep applying it until there is nothing left but cinders. Trust me, I have an ample supply of Hate (tm) in reserve.

[Buzzz]

I can understand how people are upset over this new development.  The goal of this game is to have fun.  The problem is that everyone is different and has a different idea of what "fun" is to them.

If I understand what Hitech's intention here is... I belive that they are trying to make the game more even for the various sides.  The problem is that the arenas are dynamic systems and in a constant state of change... so trying to make things perfectly even is a goal that can not be accomplished under any circumstances.  It can't be done.

Limiting fighter plane types will not and can not solve this problem.  This is a somewhat social game and after you have made friends on one side it's just natural that you like to hang with your buds.  For most, switching sides is not an option.  Add to that fact that even if you switch you are still not guaranteed your plane of choice... then jumping countries is not an attractive option.

The argument that limited and ever changing plane choices kill mission planning and pre-planned squad ops is also a valid point.  These are both fun activities for players and disrupting them detracts also from the game.

I think the ultimate arugument and deciding factor to this issue is the fact that numbers make a huge advantage for players and plane type only gives a slight advantage.  (One pony will never beat 10 P-40s.)  It's the quantity of fighters that give the advantage not the quality of them.

I think Hitech's motivation and heart is in the right place but this is not the solution to making sides even.  

HOWEVER... if this same system was applied ONLY to bombers, then you might have something.  It would limit the offensive potential of the more numerous side by requiring more bomber sorties to take territory.

By requiring more bomber sorties needed to take fields, you are pulling more players out of fighters and putting them in buffs.  This would make the numbers more even in fighters.

It's quantity of fighters that will even out the sides not the quality.

-Buzzz

[4510]

Originally posted by Buzzz


I think Hitech's motivation and heart is in the right place but this is not the solution to making sides even.


If he would step down off the high horse... and had done a little more culling of ideas from the community.... he'd be a lot further along in realizing results from his motivation.


It's quantity of fighters that will even out the sides not the quality.

-Buzzz

Interesting ideas there Buzzzzz.... however.. amount of of real estate controlled needs to be factored in as well... Just because a country has numbers... they shouldn't be immediately penalized if they are sitting with 4 fields and survival rations.  

[hitech]

4510: You are starting to push the limits of acceptible behavior on this board.


HiTech

[xBarrelx]

means he doesnt want u talkin bout him

[RTR]

4510:  If he would step down off the high horse... and had done a little more culling of ideas from the community.... he'd be a lot further along in realizing results from his motivation.

Wow.

I guess you missed that 475 post thread huh?

RTR

[culero]

Originally posted by Ghosth
Why does everyone miss the whole point?

ALL you have to do is switch to knight & hey presto, you have your ride!

Tommorow when rooks are high you can switch back again.

For guys in squadrons that are very active in main, I can see the reluctance.

But everyone else should be helping balance!

Lord knows if knights get that many #'s ahead I'm ready to jump if need be.

Here's the problem I have personally with that, Ghost - the country I settled in with IS my equivalent of a squad. And I don't think I'm alone.

Back when I started here, I tried flying both Nits and Bish. I had fun, no probs. There were people in both countries I knew from AW. Life was gud.

But, soon, I wanted to try perk rides. Rooks at that time were always smallest. So, I went there for that reason.

It turned out that I found more old friends there than elswhere, and made more new ones sooner than I'd done so in either of the other countries. So I decided I'd stay there.

Now, I really don't fly MA that often. I'm pretty much a "shows up for scenarios" player, the MA is just practice. But I do appreciate being able to fly with my buddies when I do show up.

Really and truly, the plane thing isn't that friggin big a deal to me personally. I'd just as soon fly a SpitV as a IX, I can deal with flying whatever. Hell, in scenarios I fly what I'm told - I've even started to learn to drive GVs here for AH scenarios, something I never got into at AW.

But it would piss me off if the current ride I'm assigned in a scenario was unavailable to me in the MA for practice purposes due to this new system.

That's kinda stretching it I know, but the point is some people fly the country they do because that's where they're comfy in the community.

culero

[MOIL]

Sooo,

How is everyone on this beautiful Sunday morn   ?

[dtango]

Hi Arlo:

I thought the point was sufficiently clear regarding the stats.  Every customer that complains represents a group of larger disaffected customers that are unseen.  This is a rule of thumb for ANY business.  This was all mentioned in the overall context of trying to bring a little balance to a needlessly heated discussion.  How that was translated into an indictment against HTC I have no idea.

So typical businesses aren't the passion of their owners?  Come now, that's really stretching it if not insulting to others.  I'd venture to say that businesses that are this way don't last too long.

Yes, you offered a counterpoint.  I just haven't seen data that supports it.

Cheers !

Tango, XO
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