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Offline 1K3

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« on: August 14, 2004, 08:36:59 PM »
What types of  bombers and fighters did the Soviets had before they were attacked in summer '41?

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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2004, 09:08:27 PM »
Mostly ones that flew, specifically, ones that could fight and/or bomb.  ;)

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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2004, 09:48:55 PM »
the Tu2 is im not mistaken was early war.

the il2 was just beginning to enter service when the attacks began.
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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2004, 11:06:23 PM »
I'm sure there are people who can do a much better job of this, but here goes, off the top of my head.

The main "pre-war" fighter for the VVS was the I-16. This was an open cockpit monoplane, with retractable landing gear (IIRC, the gear were raised manually :eek:  ) Realising that war was on the horizon, the Soviets went to work on creating Modern fighter designs.

The three of consequence were the Mig-1, Yak-1 and Lagg-3.

The Mig was designed as a High alt fighter, and as such it was wicked fast. However it was a beast to fly, and way under-armed.

The Yak was a decent enough fighter, however it was underpowered, and paid dearly. The design was improved into both the Yak-9, and Yak-3 which went on to become very good fighters. (The Yak-7 was in there was well, however this was originally designed as a trainer, later adapted as a fighter)

The Lagg three suffered from the same underpower problems, however instead of waiting for a new inline engine, they opted to dump a big bellybutton radial engine into the nose of that sucker. This ultimately lead to the La-5, La-7 and La-9.

I believe that all of these fighters were coming into service when the war kicked off.

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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2004, 11:25:40 PM »
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
the Tu2 is im not mistaken was early war.

 The Tu-2 entered service in 1944.  It was fast, manuverable and reasonably tough.

The Tupolev SB-2 was a major early war Russian bomber.  Perhaps you were thing of that one.
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2004, 11:42:08 PM »
Karnak... I'm drunk... Tell me a story about early war Soviet Fighters :)

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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2004, 12:02:12 AM »
Yak-1 was also pre-war, as was the I-153.

...though I have to wonder what the heck they used to run yacc, since bison hadn't even been written yet...

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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2004, 12:13:50 AM »
Early bombers include the:

Il-4/DB-7 (same plane, 1938)
SB-2/ANT 40 (same plane, 1937)
TB-3/ANT-6 (same plane, 1933-34 and used later)
Pe-2 (1940)
U-2/Po-2 (biplane, late 20s/early 30s - still in service later)
And as mentioned the I-6 and I-16 fighter/bombers, from the 20s/30s

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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2004, 02:59:53 AM »
In addition at 1941 there were in service:

Ar-2 (dive bomber developement of the SB-2, 2xM-105)
Yer-2 (twin diesel bomber, 2xM-30)
Su-2 (Il-2 competitor, single M-82)
R-10 (light bomber, single M-25/M-62)
Yak-4 (light bomber 2xM-105)
R-5 (light bomber single M-17)
Pe-8 (heavy bomber 4xAM-35 or 4xM-30)

I think there was one twin engined bomber more but can't remember.

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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2004, 07:10:19 AM »
Finnish Air Force identification manual of Russian aircraft spring 1942:

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2History-Tunnistus.html

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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2004, 11:13:57 AM »
The Pe-8 was not in service until 1943-44, and saw LITTLE if any bombing. It was a glorified VIP transport.

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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2004, 02:40:09 PM »
Krusty,
The Pe-8 was in service 1941 and took part on those Berlin Raids. One of those Berlin raid Pe-8s crash landed to Finnish coast due to navigation problems and there is pictures of this plane.

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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2004, 06:10:18 AM »
Grendel! Wow I-16bis (I-180) and I-17... Very interesting album. Thanks.

Anyway speaking about soviet planeset it would be better to put it into 2-year intervals from 1937 till 1941.
Something like:

1937






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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2004, 06:11:04 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2004, 06:11:39 AM »
1941