Author Topic: Get a clue gentlemen.... (Read 480 times)

humble · « **on:** August 15, 2004, 12:59:12 PM »

As someone who is for all intents an "outsider" now, I'm amazed at all the total garbage being posted regarding the recent changes in plane availability....

1) regardless of what you might think, I'll gaurantee that a lot of thought and hard data was examined prior to attempting to deal with this issue. For those of you who have been around long enough I'm sure you remember the time and attention spent looking at the change in price point...while all the "original guard" were paying $30 a month, newbies were coming in on various promotions for 1/2 of that or even less...did it ruffle feathers (including mine)...yup...but in the end we all got a better deal and AH got the revenue stream it needed...

2) Real people didnt get "choices" on plane type, ask the marine aviators on midway how they felt about drawing a buffalo instead of a F4F (you needed to be quick cause I dont think any of em survived)...plenty of the "pony" squads also flew Jugs or 38's at one point and many of them were in the B pony even in 44...ask Yeager. you have zero "historical arguement"...

3) It's a stinking game, get a life or lighten up. Seperate from my personal issues, the bottom line is it's a good game run by folks who do give a damm. They have no people skills (they are programers after all) and modest business skills but they can't be faulted for effort or intent.

Obviously there has to have been a REAL problem for this level of intervention. As a long time Knight I felt (with a few notable exceptions) that we were constantly being gangbanged by a bunch of no skill dweebs who relied on numbers and cheesy tactics and felt good about it. I recognize those feeling are and were probably wrong...and it had 0% with my decision to stop flying (although I probably "quit" 4-5 times over the last 18 months because of it). BUT...if people are leaving or choosing not to continue beyond the trial because a bunch of losers cant "even the teams" then I don't think HT and crew had a choice.

RedTop · « **Reply #1 on:** August 15, 2004, 03:41:52 PM »

Amen:aok

schizer · « **Reply #2 on:** August 15, 2004, 03:57:19 PM »

The problem is that people have become comfortable being able to fly whatever they want whenever they want. Now that planes are limited and you no longer have this freedom and yet the $14.99/month remains the same they are pissed. HTC has essentially throttled usage, and people cant play the way they are accustomed to. It would be like paying $14.99/month for unlimited nights and weekends on a cell phone then the company saying, well you can only use it when there are a certain # of people using it and if to many people are using it than tough. Certainly you could use it at a later time, or hell even switch plans but in reality you have taken something that was once unlimted for a set price and put limits on it yet still charge the same price.

Chortle · « **Reply #3 on:** August 15, 2004, 06:26:22 PM »

Maybe people cant fly the way they used to but I cant see how anyone is being throttled. Anyone can still fly what they want, when they want.

The phone analogy is incomplete. You still have the same plan, can still make unlimited calls evening and weekends, but instead of making them on the latest cutting edge uberphone, you make them on a phone thats 6 months old. You still have the choice of making them on the uberphone, but for operational reasons, might have to wait a while to get a dialing tone.

rpm · « **Reply #4 on:** August 15, 2004, 06:35:10 PM »

Love the avatar schizer. That was a great race.

The problem is while some were enjoying the full experience of the game for their money, others were being denied it because of the side imbalance. Now everyone is given an equalizer and it works on an unbiased scale. It's a work in progress, give it a week or two to work the bugs out.

Hyrax81st · « **Reply #5 on:** August 15, 2004, 06:40:15 PM »

I like posts that start out "Get a Clue..........."

it makes them easy to mark "read" and simply move on...

humble · « **Reply #6 on:** August 15, 2004, 07:43:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Hyrax81st
I like posts that start out "Get a Clue..........."

it makes them easy to mark "read" and simply move on...

Yet you took a moment to read it...

At the moment I have very little in the way of "personal attachment" for this particular game...however I spent the better part of 5 years here. This is the 1st real attempt to grapple with an issue that has existed since I started flying (1993??). It's obviously not "perfect" but it's a big step and a big gamble to take. I know that as the #'s jumped from ~200 or so to ~500+ that the "skill" variable lessened in overall importance.

I'd guess that feedback has been pretty strong for along time prior to this and might have been one of the issues that led to the "Tour of Duty" concept. Remember that AH2 wasn't initially designed to support the current arena or game model but to introduce a totally new concept for massive online multiplayer gameplay (TOD). Since nothing has really been said about TOD (that I know of) it's logical to assume that it still has some real developmental issues and isn't "ready for primetime". Otherwise I think they would of held off on addressing this issue till TOD launched.

I have very little sympathy for either HT or Pyro but honestly appreciate their willingness to step up and take this issue on. Especially after the total messup (my feelings) of the AH2 rollout. However it makes sense, if you've identified it as a major issue, deal with it while your still taking flak over the other stuff and get it out of the way.

As for "get a clue"...well as a business owner I learned real quickly to listen to those little words. This is really the 1st time I feel like HT and Pyro did exactly that:aok

X2Lee · « **Reply #7 on:** August 15, 2004, 07:49:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Hyrax81st
I like posts that start out "Get a Clue..........."

it makes them easy to mark "read" and simply move on...

does that monkey on your avatar know you are are posting this drivil? Maybe you should remove him before you embarass all the monkeys in your tree.

4510 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 15, 2004, 11:32:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Chortle
Maybe people cant fly the way they used to but I cant see how anyone is being throttled. Anyone can still fly what they want, when they want.

The phone analogy is incomplete. You still have the same plan, can still make unlimited calls evening and weekends, but instead of making them on the latest cutting edge uberphone, you make them on a phone thats 6 months old. You still have the choice of making them on the uberphone, but for operational reasons, might have to wait a while to get a dialing tone.

This argument would work if the idea behind the plane throttling was to "slow down" the larger country. But it isn't... the idea is force a migration. If all the folks in the larger country just said "fine" I 'll stay right here and fly a less capable plane... we aren't achieving the endstate that is being sought. I mean a HORDE of P-40s will still overwhelm a bunch of P-51s.

4510 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 15, 2004, 11:34:52 PM »

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Originally posted by humble
Yet you took a moment to read it...

At the moment I have very little in the way of "personal attachment" for this particular game...however I spent the better part of 5 years here. This is the 1st real attempt to grapple with an issue that has existed since I started flying (1993??).

Ah... but are we treating the cause of this numbers issue or a symptom? What in the original game design makes having huge numbers desirable?