Intel VS AMD in AH !

[lasse]

I am getting me self a new system, and I has been thinking of AMD 850 or 1Ghz.

                          I has always before choosen Intel based systems, but this time I am considering AMD.
                          But I has read something of really poor FPS with amd K6-2(3?) processors in AH, is this right, and does this count
                          for Athlon too, or is that an completely different processor in this matter ?

                          Or should I keep on my tradition of using Intel based computers ?

                          If anyone knows, please explain this for me in baby language so even I can understand the difference between
                          AMD 850 and Intel 850 when playing AH.

                          I am grateful for any advice

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[snag]

K6 and Athlon are different processors. From all the tests in specialised sites, you can see that floating point performances of Athlon allow it to be an excellent performer in 3D graphics. This being said, I have no Athlon to check that myself ...

[Saintaw]

 http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/00q1/000314/

I'd personaly recommend Intel when it comes to "Gaming"...


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[Granger]

I have an intel p3-500 and an athlon 600, the athlon kicks intels bellybutton in every catagory, even though its 100 mhz faster, it outperforms intel by a larger margin than that.

at 1600x1200 with my Riva Gforce card i get between 50 on runway, and 70 fps during flight. The intel can only manage a meager 33 on runway and high 40s in flight.
It is faster than that if I bump the res down to 1024x768 or so..but athlons are faster, period.

[Rocket]

Just IMHO I like Tom's site but he is a bit biased ;D I do like the feedback I have gotten from friends on the Athlon and have considered it for my next chip.  It has been suggested that for now stay with 650-733 range and let the 1ghz come down in price.  Also 1ghz will only be offered initially in package oem systems and not seperately till they get enough stockpile in either flavor.
Just MHO and $.02  

S!
Rocket

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[Mox]

I'd stick to Intel for gaming.

FYI the Intel 1gig is out.

Mox
The Wrecking Crew

[MANDOBLE]

If you want to kick intels bellybutton really hard, pick up K7 with a motherboard based on the new Via kx133 chipset (EPOX has one). With old AMD750 chipsets, intel has a very little advantage for gamming.

[Saintaw]

then again....IA64 is comming out this Summer  


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Don't shoot ! I am only an observer......
 
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[lasse]

Interesting....interesting  

But, that VIA set, doesent that one has 200mhz FSB?

And that ram i assume is really expensive ?

But if I get this right, there is no big drawback if I get myself a Athlon 850 (and a VIA mainboard?

I am also gonna get me a GeForce 256 DDRam when I build the computer.
( I ALWAYS builds my own computers, that way I always know exactly what I get.)


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[danish]

Dammit Lasse you have too much money on your hands.Do yourself a favor and send me a check.
And if you choose AMD post back and let us know the framerate.
Also: http://www.grandeavenida.com/fps/index.cfm?Game=2

Give my regards to Norway: I miss you all!


danish

[Karnak]

The RAM for the KX133 is not very expensive, look at prices here  www.pricewatch.com  to get an idea.

Mox, good luck getting a 1 Ghz anything, but particularly an Intel.  Try getting an Intel 800, thats almost impossible.

Right now I'd look at getting either an Athlon 700 with a KX133 chipset board or a Pentium III 733.  The prices should be comparable, except for RAM, in which case the RDRAM for the Intel will cost 5 times as much.

I have a K6-III 450 and will be upgrading to an Athlon once they get the Cache imbedded and the interconnects are copper.  This should be about mid year.

As for IA64, does Aces High support SSE2?  No, didn't think so.  The Thunderbird version of the Athlon will outperform IA64 on non-SSE2 opimized stuff by 10-30%.  IA64 will outperform the Thunderbird version of the Athlon on SSE2 optimized stuff by about 100%.  Mind you, many things will not be optimized, and any old, or already released stuff will not be SSE2 optimized.

Sisu

[Vermillion]

You can use either the standard PC100 memory, or the PC133 memory on the KX133 chipset motherboards. I know because I am writting this post from one. I actually have both a 64 meg PC100 DIMM & a 128 meg PC133 DIMM in the motherboard and it works like a charm.

It is the Intel Chipsets (i820 and i840) that require the ultra expensive RDRAM memory that everyone is thinking about.

Also you need to think about cost.

Athlon 700 = $255 US
Intel PIII 700 = $450-$500 US depending on which version you get.

Plus availability is a real problem right now with the high end Intel chips, while Athlon chips are quite easy to find.  Intel will not be selling their 1Ghz chips to anyone but their OEMS (gotta buy complete systems), until 3rd quarter of this year.

Just a couple of things to think about

Oh yeah, I bought the Athlon 700 and am running it on the Epox EP-7KXA motherboard which has the VIA KX133 chipset.

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[Minotaur]

The magazine Computor Gaming World has and article on this every month.  This article basically described two systems.  One is top of the heap/best possible, the other is very good but with cost/perfomance in mind.

The components for these systems are picked for performance, availability, reliability and ease of installation.

Check it out.  The writter for the article keeps it very current monthly.

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The Wrecking Crew

[Dnil]

I use an Athlon 700 Asus k7m mb.  It smokes, absolutely rocks.  Stable, and performs like a champ.  I was a little worried about going the amd route this time but for the speed I have at the price I bought it, WOW!  Intel is still nice but speed for speed amd is the way to go.  Plus mine is still the old chipset to, just got the latest mb drivers and a nice steady 50-60 fps hi res 1024 on a tnt2.

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[lasse]

Ok, danish, Ill send you a check.....wait...hmm cant find my check book, guess you will have to wait  

As you know danish, I build and sell these tings for a living, so I get it rather cheap   (everything is relative u know)

It looks like Im going for AMD, cheapest, easiest to get my hands on, and currently the highest mhz that I actually can buy.
But its gonna be 2-3 weeks more until I buy it, so Ill read all info I can find on the topic.

We miss you too danish  
You are welcome back to Norway and The Wild Vikings anytime danish  

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