I cnat defend HQ with 163s..becuase too many peopl?arg

[TBolt A-10]

Originally posted by JB35
seems like Rook HQ for the most part of this evening was dead and we couldnt defend it due to the ENY value being restricted at that time .

 Get rid of HQ all together and make it to where the enemy has to kill Dar at certain fields to advance undetected.

We did that in SEA BoB and was very successful in our attacks on the RAF.

 or Make the Radar factories on each area a strategic target for a certain zone , that radar factory goes down then you have no dar for that area.

 Or make the ME163 available , as it is now with the ME163 landing that puppy without breaking off your rudder is nearly impossible not to mention that once down on the RR it will not taxi

These are just suggestions , if it happens it happen , if not then we will all have to live with it .


<>

These are excellent ideas.  I hope HT is actually paying attention to this thread.

I had no idea that 163's were restricted by the ENY-limiter b.s.     VERY annoying.  I hope the restricted 163 was just an oversight on the part of HTC.  The 163 shouldn't EVER be limited.

[SlapShot]

HT posted this in another thread ...

Originally posted by hitech
As to the 163 and perk planes the 163 will definetly be excluded and im favoring the idea of all perks to be excluded from the eny system.


HiTech

[Sundowner]

Quote:
What really needs to be fixed is the bug.

A fully destroyed HQ, is what should be very hard to resupply. Maybe people can cut down the downtime to half with resupplying, but it still should stay down.

A half destroyed/partially damaged HQ should be much easier to resupply and fully recover, in a short period time.

If this bug is fixed, being unavailable to use the 163 doesn't mean anything, as the HQ, if it is damaged, can be resupplied quickly.
==============================================

It's not a bug.

HQ is DESIGNED not to be resupply-able if its is partially down.
In fact, if you are ever able to resupply HQ while partially down THAT would be a bug.

regards,
Sun

[Puck]

HQs were successfully defended for several years without the 163.  Now all of a sudden it's the ONLY aircraft that can stop an incomming raid??!

[Hyrax81st]

Originally posted by Puck
HQs were successfully defended for several years without the 163.  Now all of a sudden it's the ONLY aircraft that can stop an incomming raid??!

But LA7's, 109-G10's, P51's, (etc.) were not disabled for the several years that there was no 163. What was the plane of choice back then ? What other AC would you suggest for upping quickly to 20K to intercept Buff's 2 sectors out (with a country ENY of 20) ?

By the way G-10 was disabled for a period of time the other night because it has an ENY of 20 and, therefore, is not the automatic and obviously available plane as a substitute for the 163. Sometimes, it's just not available.

The other interesting aspect of the Country Status popup now is that you can now plan those fast JABO or KI-67 runs on the Rook HQ based on their ENY value. That's handy "intel".

[tactic]

yeh  maybe perked planes should be exempt from this fix..  let them spend the perks to fly the low eny perked stuff.  that seems fair.. or..  Do Not make any planes unavailable, ___just make them becomed perked when # change...____. woo hoo!!!  im sure some one else has said that idea,  but sounded real good when i said it... That's the answer,,  haha  then they have to at some point ,fly high eny stuff, to replace their perks  haha!!!!

[Zanth]

...and reset perks every camp

[Puck]

Originally posted by Hyrax81st
But LA7's, 109-G10's, P51's, (etc.) were not disabled for the several years that there was no 163. What was the plane of choice back then ? What other AC would you suggest for upping quickly to 20K to intercept Buff's 2 sectors out (with a country ENY of 20) ?

P38 was always my choice.  That or a 190A-5 or even an A-8 which has more firepower but not as good a climb.  Now days I'd say the 110G2 would be a pretty perfect buff buster.

Of course back then we had laser guided bombs and the B17 flew quite happily at 35k, so things could get entertaining.  Now we have dumb bombs and hitting anything from more than 20k or so can be challenging, so the buffs are a bit more vulnerable.


One nice thing about this (that nobody mentions) is you'll find you learn how to fly flying regular airplanes.  The P51 and La7 should have K/D ratios in the 6 and 7 range, not the <1 to 1.2 they currently have.  If all those La7 pilots quit whining long enough to learn how to fly an La5 or 190A they're going to find flying the La7 is a bit like clubbing baby seals.

Of course like everything else very few people are willing to climb the learning curve; they want to be uber NOW!


JMHO.  YMMV.  HTH.  HAND.

[JB35]

Heres 1 for incoming Buff's to HQ , when Trinity map came out a few weeks ago , their was a single Buff group headed to Rook HQ , the ME163 was not available and neither was the ME262 , so we knew that we had to up something to counter the incoming Buff , I upped the 109G10 as did other squaddies of mine .
Only to get to the Buff group and find that they were at an ungodly 35K alt , I managed to get close enough to get a shot at him before he tore me a new one and I spirald to my death , as for the other squaddies , they couldnt even get close due to their flying the 190 series planes , at 30 K they climb at what 5 inches a min.
and at 30 to 35K alt the G10 is so unstable it isnt funny

And for the NOE attackers hitting HQ , by the time you see HQ flashing the fastes thing to up and get their in a hurry is the ME163 and  it gives you some time to defend before the Bombs release , but up a prop plane and fly to HQ and well you might as well up a Goonie Bird and start heading to HQ with supplies.

Get rid of HQ all together and make Dar in Zones , or again just kill dar at airfeilds while you advance .

[Hyrax81st]

Originally posted by Puck
P38 was always my choice.  That or a 190A-5 or even an A-8 which has more firepower but not as good a climb.  Now days I'd say the 110G2 would be a pretty perfect buff buster.

I've flown the 190D-9 and 110-G2 but not the A-5 (ENY35) or A-8(ENY25). The P-38 will be locked somewhat because of its lower ENY (15?). I forget what the D-9's is off-hand, I think it's in the 20 range.

Thanks for the A-5 and A-8 tips.

[Hyrax81st]

Originally posted by JB35 And for the NOE attackers hitting HQ , by the time you see HQ flashing the fastes thing to up and get their in a hurry is the ME163 and  it gives you some time to defend before the Bombs release...

I agree, speed to target and speed to survive your 1st pass on the buff box. HiTech said he is removing 163s from ENY disabled list anyway so I will say no more on it.

[Puck]

Originally posted by Hyrax81st
I've flown the 190D-9 and 110-G2 but not the A-5 (ENY35) or A-8(ENY25). The P-38 will be locked somewhat because of its lower ENY (15?). I forget what the D-9's is off-hand, I think it's in the 20 range.

Thanks for the A-5 and A-8 tips.

I think the Dora is down to 12? now, or something like that.  It was 18 before the change.  P38 is 20 I believe, again don't quote me.  The A8 is a major buff killer, and the A5 just a smidge behind.  Get good at slashing attacks in either one and you'll have no problems with bombers anymore.

When they come in at 35k you figure the guy flying them has been climbing for several hours, and of course deserves to die.  Anything over 27k and they should PAY you perks to go kill him in a Ta-152.  Had one of those up to 48k once, just to see how high it'd go.

[Kev367th]

A few things would help HQs.
1) Any off map flying results in a death - How many times have you seen off map dweebs knowing they are going for HQ but you cant find them until they magically reappear on the map (too late by then on some maps, HQ close to edge). Or have their dot visible off map also.
2) More concentrated radar / fields around HQ so there are no gaps in the coverage as there is at the moment. Hell even some strats or those little yellow dotty thingys could be used to fill in the gaps.
3) Start including altitude effects on pilots. (oops this would force the Rooks outta orbit to lower alts). Maybe slower response times, dunno just throwing ideas out.
4) The can supply fully down but not partially down HQ seems a bit back-assward.
5) Pay more attention to the map, and don't assume someone else is upping to defend it.

[MOIL]

OR,

Just like in WWII if there was an area of major importance it was heavily defended. 8 times out of ten times there were German 88's, Flak guns 20mm & 40mm platforms and numerous other AA batteries.
If you flew into enemy territory you were meet with heavy AA fire from the ground, not to mention the defending A/C.

Just as you would sound the alarm to scramble fighters to intercept, you should be able to mount a gun platform {and there should be a LOT of postions}at the HQ {or important location} and defend it. You don't up the defence, you lose your HQ {or location}

Just a thought

[MOIL]

Oh I almost forgot

Check this out

Interesting WWII reading