Author Topic: Please help about kill vs assist (Read 611 times)

Stone · « **on:** August 16, 2004, 01:47:59 AM »

I can not figure it out

1)
I fly to enemy base, see a low 190 takeing off, get one ping on his wing but cant follow him.
3 min later some one shoots him down and I get the kill?

2)
I try to RTB low on fuel when a P51 attacks me. We are on the deck, no other planes near us. He keeps zooming me, and I cant run so we start to fight for 3-4 min. Then I get a snap shot and he starts to smoke, then I get on his 6 and shoot a wing off.
After all that I get assist? ?

3)
I dive in on a Hurricane, and before I open fire, I notice it is missing half a wing. I fire and get the kill ?

So it is not who shot him first, nor is it who made most damage.
It is not who made most number of hits either, cos I shot the ponny using .303 and 20 and lots of em.
It cant be who is closest when he dies either....

I can't figure it out....

Dont get me wrong, I am not complaining. The rules are same for us all, so its ok.

I just would like to know what the logic is please. Would be nice to know, thats all.

Murdr · « **Reply #1 on:** August 16, 2004, 02:07:27 AM »

Its purely based on who did the most total damage at the point he died, bailed, or captured. The damage you do is represented in the Points V enemy colum of your score.

The guy you pinged and got a kill on later may have crashed. Who knows?

The plane that looks perfectly fine may have taken a solid burst of cannon but the damage was just short of something brakeing. You come along and ping him with .303s and his wing falls off, you get an assist. The first guy did more damage.

The plane thats smoking may have only caught an unlucky cannon round in the engine. You go in and paint him with cannon. You get the kill.

It often doesnt make sense. You cant always tell by looking whether someone scored 20% damage or 51% damage on it already.

I can usually tell when I take first blood and have to disengage whether I did enough damage where I should get the kill if he dies.

simshell · « **Reply #2 on:** August 16, 2004, 02:12:31 AM »

tonight i uped a Hurr-D with the 40mms for some air to air just to have some fun

and i got behide this 202 and put a 40mm in his wing it goes flying off and i get assist:confused:

Stone · « **Reply #3 on:** August 16, 2004, 02:21:19 AM »

Hmm are you sure about that Murdr? You know this as fact?

Cos like whit the P51 (wich I wish I had filmed), I cant imagine some one else got more dammage on him !

The P51 had alt on me. I could not attak him. He could choose if he wanted to attack or not. He DID attack 3-4 times B&Z. If he had more dammage than a missing wing and fuel (or oil leak), would he not had head home in the first place ?

So he had all his flaps/elevators/fluids and all the other stuff most planes has, when he started the attacks.

I am sure some one pinged his plane before, as I did not get the kill, but that cant have been more dammage?

Or maybe it can?

JB35 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 16, 2004, 02:40:45 AM »

LOL Yeah I love it when you have been working back and forth with nice dogfight 1 on 1 and you hit that sweet spot and he starts to go down , and on his desent to mother Earth , someone pops him as your screaming HES DEAD Already , and the next thing you see is " Assist "

RTGorkle · « **Reply #5 on:** August 16, 2004, 02:51:28 AM »

>>I dive in on a Hurricane, and before I open fire, I notice it is missing half a wing. I fire and get the kill ?

Maybe the guy that shot his wing off was shot down before you finished the Hurri off.

ET · « **Reply #6 on:** August 16, 2004, 03:09:51 AM »

Maybe whoever damaged nmy most was already dead and thats why you got a kill instead of assist.

Schutt · « **Reply #7 on:** August 16, 2004, 03:18:17 AM »

I shoot down a 110 on the deck, he skids to a halt on the ground... then he sits there half way in a hill.
10 mins later i crash and he gets the kill on me.

I shoot the wing off an aircraft and he dies, i only get assist

.

Its surely strange.. specially shooting of wing seems to give pretty low damage rating, constantly i only get assists from it.

Buzzz · « **Reply #8 on:** August 16, 2004, 06:36:42 AM »

I crash alot (I'm new to AH) and I notice that usually they last person that shot me down gets the credit for the kill. I see the message "you have crashed" then "soandso shot you down" on the text buffer. Well.. soandso shot me down 2 sectors away and I'm re-upping at a rear line base and I crashed on takeoff. Why does he get the credit? He's nowhere around and no bullets have touched me.

That seems a bit wierd.

-Buzzz

Chortle · « **Reply #9 on:** August 16, 2004, 08:51:09 AM »

That does seem a bit strange, not even proximity kills can explain that one.

Its sometimes best to keep firing till the other guy blows up, specially if you've shot something critical but relatively small off, like the vertical or horizontal stabs. Bit bloodthirsty but very satisfying when someone rolls over infront of you without stabs and you shoot em in the face

debuman · « **Reply #10 on:** August 16, 2004, 08:59:06 AM »

I asked the same question a couple of days ago in another forum, and ths is the answer that Hi Tech gave:

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As an example lets say 1 50cal = 3 303. If all shots landed at point blank, and if first someone landed 4 303 on the outer wing, and it didn't come off, then some one landed 1 50 cal on the same wing and it came off, the 4 303's would get the kill.

Just because you saw a piece come off, does not meen you did the most damage to the plane.

Also you do get points for assists.

HiTech>>

save · « **Reply #11 on:** August 16, 2004, 09:56:37 AM »

The guy that did the Pilot Kill should always get the kill ( if this occur), else the most damage should get it.

Overlag · « **Reply #12 on:** August 16, 2004, 10:28:02 AM »

ive never understood this system. But it works both ways, sometimes i get kills when ive pinged the guy once, sometimes i get assists when ive blown his plane into many peices.....

yes, its makes me very

but....its team work isnt it?

Murdr · « **Reply #13 on:** August 16, 2004, 10:45:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Stone
Hmm are you sure about that Murdr? You know this as fact?

Cos like whit the P51 (wich I wish I had filmed), I cant imagine some one else got more dammage on him !

The P51 had alt on me. I could not attak him. He could choose if he wanted to attack or not. He DID attack 3-4 times B&Z. If he had more dammage than a missing wing and fuel (or oil leak), would he not had head home in the first place ?

So he had all his flaps/elevators/fluids and all the other stuff most planes has, when he started the attacks.

I am sure some one pinged his plane before, as I did not get the kill, but that cant have been more dammage?

Or maybe it can?

Yea, but the damage isnt measured in peices missing. Each area of the plane can take a set amount of damage before that area fails. So if it takes 20 .50 cal hits to break a wing root, and in a pass I hit his wingtip with 9 rnds, his wing root with 10 rounds, and his tail with 9 rounds. Then you come along with .50 cals and hit him in the wing with 10 rounds and it breaks, I get the kill by virtue of the 28 total hits on the plane compaired to your 10.

One time I hit a zero with a solid burst of 20mm. I was shocked to not see him fall apart. The rounds must have been dispursed enough to not make any particular part fail. When he pulled out of range though, I knew I had scored so many damage points, that it was doubtful anyone could do more damage that I already had done. From appearences his plane looked in perfect health, but likely there were few places on his plane that could sustain a hit without failing. I got a kill on it almost 10 mins later. No doubt the pilot who shot him was like "assist?".

rpm · « **Reply #14 on:** August 16, 2004, 10:49:13 AM »

Kinda like the B-17 I blew the right wing off above 25K. On the way down 3 lower planes jump the burning, spiraling, 1 winged carcass and steal the kill. If they pump enough lead into it before it explodes, they get the kill and you get the shaft.