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Offline Curval

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« on: August 16, 2004, 09:35:11 AM »
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Under the guise of preventing terrorism it seems that the legacy of J. Edgar has the potential to live on.
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2004, 09:41:04 AM »
No. Nothing that hasn't been done in the past (over 1/3 of the US population has some sort of FBI profile)
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2004, 09:42:03 AM »
I don't think they can be too careful when it comes to protecting the President when it comes to public events, especially in an election year.

I can think of many assasinations around the world that might have been prevented had the police and other organizations been more rigorous in their duties.

Archduke Franz Ferdinand, JFK, Gandhi, et al.
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2004, 10:04:50 AM »
Yawn, I wonder if the Canadiens will worry about this too?
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2004, 10:06:38 AM »
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Yawn, I wonder if the Canadiens will worry about this too?


Yes. (Curval is a Canuck citizen)
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2004, 10:08:34 AM »
The Secret Service has always has advance teams that either detain or or surveil possible threats to the President before a visit. Pretty much SOP.
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2004, 10:09:43 AM »
Police state? Yes/No?

No...
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2004, 10:18:05 AM »
Make sure the VP's hands are visible at all times.
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2004, 11:48:49 AM »
Curval, you think this is specific to Democratic protesters? Think again...
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In the last few weeks, beginning before the Democratic convention, F.B.I. counterterrorism agents and other federal and local officers have sought to interview dozens of people in at least six states, including past protesters and their friends and family members, about possible violence at the two conventions. In addition, three young men in Missouri said they were trailed by federal agents for several days and subpoenaed to testify before a federal grand jury last month, forcing them to cancel their trip to Boston to take part in a protest there that same day.

Interrogations have generally covered the same three questions, according to some of those questioned and their lawyers: were demonstrators planning violence or other disruptions, did they know anyone who was, and did they realize it was a crime to withhold such information.
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2004, 11:54:07 AM »
The post wasn't to point fingers at the GOP...just to show how easy it would be for the US to RETURN to a Hoover-like environment using threats of terrorism, or in this case "trouble"(whatever THAT means).

You say 1/3 of the US has an FBI file on them.  I say that smacks of a police-state in and of itself.  No slam against the Repubs or democrats in particular.
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2004, 11:56:18 AM »
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You say 1/3 of the US has an FBI file on them.  I say that smacks of a police-state in and of itself.  No slam against the Repubs or democrats in particular.


Prevention is always viewed as police state by those who think most people are inherently good.

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Assassinations and Attempts in U.S. Since 1865
Lincoln, Abraham (president of U.S.): Shot April 14, 1865, in Washington, DC, by John Wilkes Booth; died April 15.

Seward, William H. (secretary of state): Escaped assassination (though injured) April 14, 1865, in Washington, DC, by Lewis Powell (or Paine), accomplice of John Wilkes Booth.

Garfield, James A. (president of U.S.): Shot July 2, 1881, in Washington, DC, by Charles J. Guiteau; died Sept. 19.

McKinley, William (president of U.S.): Shot Sept. 6, 1901, in Buffalo by Leon Czolgosz; died Sept. 14.

Roosevelt, Theodore (ex-president of U.S.): Escaped assassination (though shot) Oct. 14, 1912, in Milwaukee while campaigning for president.

Cermak, Anton J. (mayor of Chicago): Shot Feb. 15, 1933, in Miami by Giuseppe Zangara, who attempted to assassinate Franklin D. Roosevelt; Cermak died March 6.

Roosevelt, Franklin D. (president-elect of U.S.): Escaped assassination unhurt Feb. 15, 1933, in Miami.

Long, Huey P. (U.S. senator from Louisiana): Shot Sept. 8, 1935, in Baton Rouge by Dr. Carl A. Weiss; died Sept. 10.

Truman, Harry S. (president of U.S.): Escaped assassination unhurt Nov. 1, 1950, in Washington, DC, as 2 Puerto Rican nationalists attempted to shoot their way into Blair House.

Kennedy, John F. (president of U.S.): Shot Nov. 22, 1963, in Dallas, Tex., allegedly by Lee Harvey Oswald; died same day. Injured was Gov. John B. Connally of Texas. Oswald was shot and killed two days later by Jack Ruby.

Malcolm X, also known as El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (black activist): Shot and killed in a New York City auditorium, Feb. 21, 1965; his killer(s) were never positively identified.

King, Martin Luther, Jr. (civil rights leader): Shot April 4, 1968, in Memphis by James Earl Ray; died same day.

Kennedy, Robert F. (U.S. senator from New York): Shot June 5, 1968, in Los Angeles by Sirhan Bishara Sirhan; died June 6.

Wallace, George C. (governor of Alabama): Shot and critically wounded in assassination attempt May 15, 1972, at Laurel, Md., by Arthur Herman Bremer. Wallace paralyzed from waist down.

Ford, Gerald R. (president of U.S.): Escaped assassination attempt Sept. 5, 1975, in Sacramento, Calif., by Lynette Alice (Squeaky) Fromme, who pointed but did not fire .45-caliber pistol. Escaped assassination attempt in San Francisco, Calif., Sept. 22, 1975, by Sara Jane Moore, who fired one shot from a .38-caliber pistol that was deflected.

Jordan, Vernon E., Jr. (civil rights leader): Shot and critically wounded in assassination attempt May 29, 1980, in Fort Wayne, Ind.

Reagan, Ronald (president of U.S.): Shot in left lung in Washington by John W. Hinckley, Jr., on March 30, 1981; three others also wounded.

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2004, 12:11:12 PM »
I guess the Soviets really thought the inherant nature of man is good...they did alot of "prevention" too.


...and that list reads like a poster for gun control.:aok
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2004, 12:14:33 PM »
Bush is safe

think the nutbags want Chenney on their arses??
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2004, 12:20:32 PM »
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...and that list reads like a poster for gun control.:aok


[lazs]Silly Curval, guns don't kill....people do.[/lazs]
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2004, 12:22:54 PM »
Nice attempt to divert the conversation away from your original post's intent of painting the US as a "Police state", Curval. ;)  I don't think you'd have the right to bear arms in a "police state" ;)
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