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« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2004, 12:21:43 PM »
The other bail out manuver I use when in a better climbing aircraft, and the first zoom isn't going to work, is transition to a spiral climb be for your speed drops to low.


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« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2004, 12:54:42 PM »
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The other bail out manuver I use when in a better climbing aircraft, and the first zoom isn't going to work, is transition to a spiral climb be for your speed drops to low.


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« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2004, 12:56:01 PM »
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how many times have I died when I relize the guy under me has more E than I thoght, and he gets to D400 and shoots me down when I stall :(


did that to a P38L one time and learned the hard way:(
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« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2004, 12:57:22 PM »
great answer phookat.

Also important is timing the merge.  If It looks like you are going to stall over and have a HO situation, sometimes all it takes is delaying the merge for 1-2 seconds.  If you were to chop throttle at the stall, low guy is expecting you to come screaming back down at him, but you are actually just holding back to allow a stall.  Conversely if you see the nme starting to waffle into a stall, you should be concerned with reversing to merge at the right time regardless of your own speed.

The most often bail out I find myself in (P-38) is where the E states are close and I end up lowering ROC and hanging on full flaps still climbing ROC 1.7 at 110mph.  Cant count the number of times some frustrated la7 or nik has ended up just d400 away but to slow to raise the nose to do anything about it.  (Not my favorite, but I find myself there often enough)

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« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2004, 01:14:00 PM »
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« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2004, 01:22:53 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2004, 01:24:27 PM »
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Also important is timing the merge.  If It looks like you are going to stall over and have a HO situation, sometimes all it takes is delaying the merge for 1-2 seconds.  If you were to chop throttle at the stall, low guy is expecting you to come screaming back down at him, but you are actually just holding back to allow a stall.  Conversely if you see the nme starting to waffle into a stall, you should be concerned with reversing to merge at the right time regardless of your own speed.


Good point!  This is the balance that is easiest to screw up...waiting too long or too little.

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« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2004, 01:26:11 PM »
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The other bail out manuver I use when in a better climbing aircraft, and the first zoom isn't going to work, is transition to a spiral climb be for your speed drops to low.


Yep, very true.  In a 109, 38, etc this is a great move.

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« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2004, 03:43:10 PM »
My personal favorites for roping are the F4's and LA's.

The F4's, especially the c-hog! Get the dope to chase you vertical and as he starts to wallow pop several stages of flaps and pull it on over, done right, a complete reversal takes only 2-3 seconds and the 4x20's simply pulverize the fool who though he could take you.

The La5 when low on gas is simply amazing. It damn near hovers and you can just abuse it terribly holding it vertically untill it flops over one way or the other with no fear of entering a spin. Works very well against everything but a G-10 using the "very slowly start climbing 'till he's roped before he knows it" technique.


The general roping technique:

Unless you have a massive performance advantage you want to start with an E advantage. Let the opponent on your six, I like about 600 yrds, where a little juking means a damaging shot is unlikely. Depending on your E advantage start pulling vertical as the range increase to 800 to 1000 yards. Do this very slowly!!! An abrupt pull up allows the enemy to "cut the corner" of your manuever and gain closure even if his airspeed is lower than yours! I typically try to get vertical just before stall speed. This allows you to choose to nose over to the front or rear or perform a wingover if you choose. I also suggest very slow vertical rolls to throw off the enemy's aim and lets you watch what they are doing on the way up. If they realize they are being roped and start to break, turn into them immediately! They have less E and will be easy lunch. If they continue to follow you just watch and wait 'till they start wallowing/stalling, or ideally just before, so as you have completed your reverse they are just floating there in a stall with no airspeed and no control. Experience helps to judge when to reverse.

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« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2004, 05:29:27 PM »
A couple small ropes are better than one big one.

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« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2004, 05:31:03 PM »
One huge thing to keep in mind with the ROPE manuver is you need a good distance to start if you dont have a huge E advantage.  Without that big E advantage, or a significant starting distance the accordian effect with get your patootie shot off in a hurry.

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« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2004, 05:41:59 PM »
The Rope?
That’s easy.
It’s a cord of nominal length usually consisting of several strands.
These strands are either twisted or in some cases braided together. The braided rope is usually much stronger. But it also depends on the material that it is constructed from.
In some cases a rope 1/4 the diameter of another is many times stronger than the larger of the twain...err two...err twine. Im confused now
Oh...you mean that "Rope"?
I don’t know much about that kind of rope. ;)

On a seriuos note. KingCat does a very nice rope in a 190 D-9 :)

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« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2004, 10:17:42 PM »
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Yep, very true.  In a 109, 38, etc this is a great move.


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