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Offline GScholz

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« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2004, 03:04:38 PM »
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It was a straight up "normaljager" with a standard supercharged DB603A. And it made 453mph on C3 fuel at 22K in 1942..   :mad:



I would suggest you put a :) or even a :D after that sentence rather than the :mad:.

Unless of course you'd rather we have this conversation in German.
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« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2004, 03:15:03 PM »
Ja, sprechen sie deutsche.
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« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2004, 03:20:33 PM »
Ja, aber sehr schlecht.

Edit: Dank Gott!
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« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2004, 03:26:14 PM »
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I would suggest you put a :) or even a :D after that sentence rather than the :mad:.

Unless of course you'd rather we have this conversation in German.


:mad:   Is what I feel when all we get in 1943 scenarios is a 400 mph 190. :)
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« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2004, 03:48:34 PM »
Jawohl Grun, aber die Fw190A-5 ist aus 1943 noch die überlegen Jagdflugzeuge.


Pardon my French ... er, German.
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« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2004, 04:12:27 PM »
Jeeez Scholzie, you German spelling is so bad that even I can see it?

Und, in drei-und-fierzich, der feinste Jager der welt is die verdammte Britische Spitfire Mk VIII. ACHTUNG!!


But seriously, would this engine, which was used on the Me410 easily be fitted within the 190A series airframe and give that performance with no problems?
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« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2004, 04:30:37 PM »
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Und, in drei-und-fierzich, der feinste Jager der welt is die verdammte Britische Spitfire Mk VIII. ACHTUNG!!


Nein! Niemals!  (Isländische Schweinhund!) ;)



... and I know my German suxors.
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« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2004, 04:40:15 PM »
Lets not start the "germans might have won "nonsense

If the germans had done better the US would have just pulled the other hand out from behind its back.
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« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2004, 04:45:04 PM »
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But seriously, would this engine, which was used on the Me410 easily be fitted within the 190A series airframe and give that performance with no problems?


The D-14 and D-15 were to use the DB603 engine. The Ta152C also used the DB603 engine.
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« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2004, 04:51:50 PM »
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But seriously, would this engine, which was used on the Me410 easily be fitted within the 190A series airframe and give that performance with no problems?


Yes Angus. By early summer of 1942 they had several protypes which were working wonderfully. The plane had no serious issues as it was a fairly simple conversion and the plane was ready for production. By late 42 Fockewulf even came up with a production schedule for this 190C through 1944. All that had had to happend was for the RLM to give its approval and this 450mph+ machine would have entered service in early 1943..
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« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2004, 05:23:41 PM »
Why was the Me410 so slow with two of them and why was the Fw190C not ressurected in 1944 when the 450mph Spit XIV and 440mph P-51 showed up without a German answer?
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« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2004, 05:27:19 PM »
Drag, lots of drag. :)

The DB603 190 program was brought back once the Me410 was taken out of production.  In the meantime FW had to do with Jumos and so came the D9, althought that was too late..

Think of it this way, FW was not allowed to use the DB603 in FW190 from late 1942 till late 1944. A full two years of the most critical fighting in the air..
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« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2004, 05:32:51 PM »
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Why was the Me410 so slow with two of them and why was the Fw190C not ressurected in 1944 when the 450mph Spit XIV and 440mph P-51 showed up without a German answer?


the me262 is a great answer to either if we are talking about top speed.

The problem faced in mid 44 as percieved by the LW was not how to defeat the single engine enemy fighters..but how to take down a 4 engine bomber.
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« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2004, 05:40:07 PM »
And a 450mph fighter with 5 20/30mm cannon and 2 mg would do that really really well. RLM had to be working for the allies. :)
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« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2004, 06:16:43 PM »
Boils down to politics then?

Why were there no Griffon engined Mosquitos????
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