Author Topic: Kerry to Bush: Bring it on! (Read 1347 times)

Gunslinger · « **Reply #30 on:** August 19, 2004, 10:47:52 PM »

WOW you can go on and on about who was not kerry's crewmates but actually saw what happend after a mine exploded and kerry (AND ONLY KERRY"S BOAT) turned and ran while the remaining three boats assisted the one that hit the mine.....

keep in mind there were a total of 5 boats there working in close proximity......and the crews of all the other boats say the same thing.....kerry cut and ran.

BUT,

I was more concerned with your FIRST statement that this is a republican add.

I'm getting really tired of repeating myself but

YOU HAVE YET TO SHOW ME ONE BIT OF CREDIBLE EVIDENCE THAT THIS SWIFT BOAT ADD IS A PRODUCT OF THE BUSH CAMPAING.

rpm · « **Reply #31 on:** August 19, 2004, 10:49:47 PM »

Fox News: "Many Of Them Are Republicans Who Have Contributed To And Backed Various Bush Campaigns And Causes Over The Decades" "Kerry's military service was an asset during the primaries; critics hoped to transform it into a liability now. The GOP says it's not involved with the veterans criticizing Kerry, but many of them are Republicans who have contributed to and backed various Bush campaigns and causes over the decades." [Fox News, Special Report, Cameron, 5/4/04]

Dallas Morning News: "Veterans' Group Critical of Kerry Backed by Bush Supporter." Bob Perry, a major supporter of President Bush and the Republican Party, is the biggest financial backer of a veterans group seeking to discredit Democrat John Kerry's military service, according to federal records. Perry, a Houston homebuilder, gave $100,000 to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group that has been critical of Kerry's anti-war activities after he returned from Vietnam. That accounted for two-thirds of the organization's receipts to date. [DMN, Slater, 7/23/04]

I'll make it easier. You say Bush has denounced the ad and the group. Prove it, show me the quote.

anonymous · « **Reply #32 on:** August 19, 2004, 10:54:11 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by rpm371
You have not shown me 1 shred of evidence it's not Grunslinger. Ball is in your court.

i say youre a child rapist who hasnt yet been caught by the cops. i dont have to prove this. you have to prove me wrong. "ball is in your court". are you aware of how stupid you are sounding now?

Gunslinger · « **Reply #33 on:** August 19, 2004, 10:55:56 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by rpm371
You have not shown me 1 shred of evidence it's not Grunslinger. Ball is in your court.

no no no no.....you are the one that made the acusation.

You want proof.....The add is paid for by "swift boat vets for truth" They are a 527 political action group and by law cannot recieve funds from the republican party nore have any association with its canidate.

DId you know Kerry joined the communist party after nam?

Yea its true...prove it wrong RPM.

Why dont you just save yourself some face and admit you were wrong and retract your statement.

rpm · « **Reply #34 on:** August 19, 2004, 10:56:46 PM »

I edited the post to ease your mind. That was using Bush tactics and I apologuise.

anonymous · « **Reply #35 on:** August 19, 2004, 10:58:56 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by rpm371
I edited the post to ease your mind.

id edit the registered democrats from the ranks of swifties for the truth to ease your mind but that cant be done. youre going to have to accept that this isnt political. its about a guy being a dishonorable and a liar and getting called on it.

rpm · « **Reply #36 on:** August 19, 2004, 11:02:40 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by anonymous
id edit the registered democrats from the ranks of swifties for the truth to ease your mind but that cant be done. youre going to have to accept that this isnt political. its about a guy being a dishonorable and a liar and getting called on it.

Better read the line by line debunking of the ad again and decide who's being dishonorable and lying.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #37 on:** August 19, 2004, 11:07:47 PM »

Quote

Q Do you -- does the President repudiate this 527 ad that calls Kerry a liar on Vietnam?

MR. McCLELLAN: The President deplores all the unregulated soft money activity. We have been very clear in stating that, you know, we will not -- and we have not and we will not question Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam. I think that this is another example of the problem with the unregulated soft money activity that is going on. The President thought he put an end -- or the President thought he got rid of this kind of unregulated soft money when he signed the bipartisan campaign finance reforms into law.

And, you know, the President has been on the receiving end of more than $62 million in negative attacks from shadowy groups. The President is calling for an immediate cessation to all the unregulated soft money activity. He believes that it should all be stopped. The unregulated soft money activity that is going on does nothing to elevate the discourse. We hope the Kerry campaign will join us in calling for an end to all the unregulated soft money ads and activity.

Quote

President Bush's re-election campaign distanced itself from the ad. Campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt said the president's re-election effort "has never and will never question John Kerry's service in Vietnam. The election will be about the future."

Toad · « **Reply #38 on:** August 19, 2004, 11:09:42 PM »

Now tell us all how many of those guys that "were not Kerry's crewmate" or "were not in Kerry's boat" were in Coastal Squadron 1, Coastal Division 14 when Kerry was in that unit?

How many of those guys that "were not Kerry's crewmate" or "were not in Kerry's boat" were in Coastal Division 11 when Kerry was in that unit?

How many of those guys that "were not Kerry's crewmate" or "were not in Kerry's boat" were in Coastal Division 13 when Kerry was in that unit?

See, there's a big problem with some military vets when the Kerry campaign starts braying that "so and so wasn't in the boat".

In the Air Force, everybody in the Squadron knows who can hack it and who can't. The stories get around real fast.

In the Army, I'm sure it's about the same. Everybody in the Company pretty much knows who the screw-ups and "doers" are. You don't have to be in the same squad to know that.

I'm sure in the Navy it's quite the same in a relatively small Coastal Squadron.

So to vets, this "wasn't in the boat" stuff doesn't float very far and makes the Kerry campaign look stupid.

They have chosen to run on his VietNam record. A stupid choice IMO but it may be all they have. They've got a group that can't easily be dismissed that was THERE when Kerry was THERE saying he's not so hot. Not good.

They've got Kerry's own anti-war testimony to deal with too and eventually that's going to get dug up and examined under a microscope. Not good.

They cry like babies about pro-Bush 527 groups linked to the Reps bashing Kerry in ads while they deny that any pro-kerry 527 groups bashing Bush have links to the Dems. As if; they make themselves look foolish with such hypocrisy.

Kerry's smartest move right now would be to distance himself from his VN experience... because that "Winter Soldier" thing is right around the corner in this campaign and it's going to P.O. a lot of VN vets when what he said about them gets spread across the headlines again.

Kerry better get busy and lay out some plans on where he's gonna take us and how he's gonna get it done. You know... that Leadership Thing that he want's us to believe he has in spades because he was a JO on a PCF 30 years ago.

He's hurting himself bigtime with the VN fixation, IMO.

midnight Target · « **Reply #39 on:** August 19, 2004, 11:11:03 PM »

If you're really curious about the republican connection just look up a bio of John E. O'Neill and Jerome R. Corsi.

rpm · « **Reply #40 on:** August 19, 2004, 11:11:58 PM »

Nice tap dance, but no. The quote we are looking for is "I'm George W. Bush and I do not approve of this message." The President has not said that .

Gunslinger · « **Reply #41 on:** August 19, 2004, 11:12:38 PM »

Quote

Originally spouted by rpm371
I edited the post to ease your mind. That was using Bush tactics and I apologuise.

AND

You actually believe the Bush campaign had NOTHING to do with the ads? Get real.

Accepted.....but your edit does not prove that the RNC or the Bush campaign had anything at all to do with the add.

George Soros is democratic contributer and he also bank rolls moveon.org.

MOveon.org once had an add comparing Bush to Hitler....would it then be a logical path to say that Kerry's people or the DNC had anything to do with the add.

Cmon man just back away gracfully....you are wrong.

Toad · « **Reply #42 on:** August 19, 2004, 11:17:24 PM »

In fact, I suggest Kerry take a page from Nebraska's Tommy Frazier at the Orange Bowl

Warren Sapp was raggin' Frazier for not doing much and taunted him "Where ya been Tommie?"

Frazier replied "It's not about where I been, it's about where I'm going, Fat Boy!"

rpm · « **Reply #43 on:** August 19, 2004, 11:18:33 PM »

Toad, the problem is they were not saying that at the time. Back then they were praising him publicly for his service. Even as late as 1996 they were campaigning for him. They are liars. There is no proof that any of the accusations are nothing more than a republican marketing group's pack of lies created to make Kerry's service look cheap because their candidate's service was weak at best.

anonymous · « **Reply #44 on:** August 19, 2004, 11:18:58 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by rpm371
Nice tap dance, but no. The quote we are looking for is "I'm George W. Bush and I do not approve of this message." The President has not said that .

sorry the cic doesnt have the time right now to reword things so the people who equate him to hitler and call him a liar after he gets data from a cia weakened by his accusers will not have hurt feelings. if i were you id start brushing up on debunking tactics when the winter soldier deal comes to light again. i cant wait to see the crap that gets typed here for that. "i commited atrocities before i decided that they werent atrocities after all". hey maybe i can get a job with kerrys campaign.