Question to all who are so upset

[humble]

Originally posted by baine1
Been here three years.
Come on over to Rooks ghost and fly there for a couple of months, then tell me to stop posting.

LOL

I've flown rooks for 3 days now, and have never seen a single restriction.

I'm 100% with you ghost...it's probably only type of action that could of brought me back. Arena is actually FUN again:aok

BTW...DREDIOCK that was awful good flying last night...sorry to bust on in but I was told the rooks shoot you if you dont clear a 6:D

[Goth]

Originally posted by SunKing
I had the same observation. The majority of everyone in an uproar I don't even remeber being here over a year.

IMHO most of the experienced player can compete with the early war planes so the changes are easy to cope with.

Not completely true. Whereas, it has not affected what I fly it has affected squad members.

One squad member likes the P38, and a couple times it has been turned off resulting in a less than enjoyable experience.

Another squad member has chosen to use tours as campaigns, and flies a particular plane each month. This month he was expending all of his perks by having a Me262 campaign. He has been denied his plane a majority of the time since implementation.

These two members have also been playing the game for years, so it is not just the people who have been flying for less than a year complaining.

[debuman]

I've only been flying here since March (5 months..?), and have no problem with the new system.  As I've stated elsewhere, it's caused me to try some different aircraft that normally I might not have even thought about using.  It seems like most of the complaints are based on people's normal resistance to change, and fear of trying something new and unknown.   Just my .02 worth...

[Puff]

Originally posted by muckmaw
See that's the problem.

It's no one's right to fly any type of airplane.

You pay your money to play the game HT produces.

You have the right to play or not to play.

You have the right to pay for HT's product or not.

Paying for the right to play the game does not entitle anyone to fly any specific airplane.

That's not entirely true.  We all pay for an expected product.  The 15 bucks a month has always paid for access to all aircraft.  With a reduction in available aircraft should come a reduction in fees.  Less product = lower cost.  


I have to fall back on the argument that this is a war game.  And in war, the point is for you to be stronger than your enemy in an attempt to erase him from the face of the earth.  When you loose, you loose... better luck next time... If these teams with low number really want an advantage.. The veterans need to go recrut from other teams.  If you feel that you are outnumbered.. take it upon yourself to change that...  

btw.... I've been in the game for about 2.5 years.  I just started posting on the message board because I now have a reason to.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Puff
That's not entirely true.  We all pay for an expected product.  The 15 bucks a month has always paid for access to all aircraft.  With a reduction in available aircraft should come a reduction in fees.  Less product = lower cost.  


 

You're kidding, right?

[kj714]

Knits have been on restriction two or three times this week when I flew, wasn't a big deal.

[baine1]

Game Id's Skbaine. Added the SK when my squad all went to a prefix naming system. Nothing mysterious there, maybe just laziness.

Didn't just discover the bbs, just haven't had much reason to complain before. I'd rather fly than flame. But these changes have got me upset. I can handle not flying 51s and La7s, but I think taking out the B17 and panzers is just plain wrong and an indication that this system wasn't really very well thought out. You have lots of choices when it comes to flying fighters, you don't have many choices when it comes to heavy buffs or gvs.

If we had more choices, I would be spending my time in the arena and not here.

I'm also not convinced that denying use of certain planes will actually get people to change sides. I might be wrong (but the amount of posts on this issue would indicate that maybe I'm not) but I think limiting planes does nothing but piss people off, certainly not what HTC had in mind when it implemented the changes.

I also have a problem with people complaining about "The horde."
I guess one of my concerns is that I don't know the true makeup of rooks v bish v knights and I don't know if this is done to address a true radical imbalance in the numbers or just because rooks tend to work together on some nights.

There's nothing stopping other sides from working together too. Teamwork is one of the fun aspects of this game. Other sides should try it.

If we have a system where one of the goals is to earn resets I don't see why working together to earn resets should be penalized. NO ONE to my knowledge has addressed that issue yet.

Am I whining? Maybe. But I do feel that I should be allowed to add my input just like people who moaned about hording added theirs. I also find it funny that people say "Oh look, Bish and Knight flyers aren't complaining, this must be fair." Heck, I wouldn't complain if I were them. I'd be on the BBS lobbying to get even more planes excluded.

[ALF]

Originally posted by Goth
You know, never in my life would I have ever thought that I would be sitting here defending the rights of someone who wanted to fly the La7.

I always knew you had a little dweeb in ya Goth;)

But the real issue comes when the current implimentation has drastic, and often distructive side effects on gameplay and the community.  Some of the new tweaks will help (140 min and 163 and perhaps all perk rides being imune), however, there are still some issues that need addressing.  Like the rapid pace of the modifier changing.  It happened on Sunday, my squad tried to up P38's...and at the time we began to form up on the runway, the MIN was a good 5 away from restricting the P38....now I dont know if it was our actual going on the runway to fly or just more numbers in general....but within 30 seconds, we had 4-5 guys who couldnt launch becuase the MIN value had swung drastically in under a minute.  

Its even worse for official missions made in the mission planner.  It takes a minimum of 5 minutes to get a mission going, and its usually better to announce and plane it 10-30 minutes ahead of time to give those who would like to participate a chance to RTB.  With the new system, it is impossible to plan a mission involving the top thrid of the rankings without risking the entire mission going the crap after a long planing and build up........This even includes planes like the B-17 which was disabled for a long time at least once this week.

If we are stuck with this monster, I hope the ENY values are reassesed in short order, and that some smoothing is made to the way the restriction is assesed (maybe a max of 1 point per minute move or something)

[humble]

Originally posted by baine1


I also have a problem with people complaining about "The horde."
I guess one of my concerns is that I don't know the true makeup of rooks v bish v knights and I don't know if this is done to address a true radical imbalance in the numbers or just because rooks tend to work together on some nights.

There's nothing stopping other sides from working together too. Teamwork is one of the fun aspects of this game. Other sides should try it.

If we have a system where one of the goals is to earn resets I don't see why working together to earn resets should be penalized. NO ONE to my knowledge has addressed that issue yet.

 

The "horde" is a numbers issue on anyside, it has nothing to do with any other factor...

Teamwork is a different issue, based on what I saw in another thread I started I don't see either other team really appreciating the difference yet...

The current restriction in no way negatively effects either teamwork or the ability to win...it simply helps to address balance issues specific to your 1st point "the horde". In reality no team is being punished in anyway.

[hitech]

If we have a system where one of the goals is to earn resets I don't see why working together to earn resets should be penalized. NO ONE to my knowledge has addressed that issue yet.

Working together is not penalized. We are not trying to implement a system where consentrating your forces is hampered.

But it realy is a basic game concepts that all sides have the same number of players. If you don't belive that concept, please sight one case where a game is not designed with that in mind. And please do not tell me AH is war, because it is not, it is a War game. And games are ment to be fun and fair. While war is not ment to be either fair or fun.

With equal sides, doing what it takes to win , is what game play is. In AH there are multiple levels of winning, makeing a capture,just shooting down more people than shot you down, ending the war. All are items of game play in AH.

Having more on your team gives your side an unfair advantage to all other sides. All items of game play are effected by that imbalance. And there realy is nothing that the sides with less numbers can do about it. They can not swith countries to even the numbers, if they move to the country with more numbers it just makes everything worse. They could make a treaty, but that only works in a defensive mode.

Equal sides is such a basic consept that over the life of AH the sides have maintained a fairly equal number, the resone is realy simple, people have more fun when the sides are equal.

So now the question becomes not IF the sides should be equal,
but how to accomplish that equality with least impact to the social apspect of the game.


HiTech

[Midnight]

I've been here since beta... Opened an official account in October 2000.

What we have in this change is a big mess. IMO, the "community" whines about making the game into a "simulation" so HTC just kept making everything more and more furball and horde pounding easy. The result was one side eventually making a larger horde than the other so they could win.

Rather than make the game a little more involved or changing gameplay to make hordes more of a hinderance than a help, we get this ALL THE SUDDEN sweeping change that instantly effects 1/3 of the customer base.

Perhaps if we were eased into this... Maybe this exact change, but one that gradually forced this change. Something like allowing (just guessing at numbers) 50% number disparity the first week, then 40% the next week, then 30%, and so on until we get the whatever the percentage is now.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I dont envy any of the HTC staff. Dealing with everyone of all sides has got to be nothing less then a major PIA.

I dont know of which side of the fence you sit or even if you care one way or the other. But to the "quit whining"
Before the changes what were the people (myself included)that were complaining about the hordes doing but whining. Then WE were the whiners.
Well we must have whined good enough because  for better or worse HTC instituted these changes.
So whining must work.

People whines about fuel being porked long enough that something was done about that.
People then whined about the hordes
So why shouldnt they whine if they know that if they whine loud and long enough something will be done?

 LOL if you look at the threads you will see most if not everyone here is a whiner about one thing or another. Be it  the "They porked the fuel at all my forward bases so I can get into a fight in 2 min or less whine. To "He flew right past me to attack my base without stopping to fight me first" To the there are too many enemy planes hording whines.
 Then you have Buff gun whines, GV whines, plane whines and a thousand others.
Then you have the people who whine about people whining which could be another topic all unto itself

Thing is, Your, or my complaint is someone elses whine.
And most people whine's are valid points to those that make them
And whining when done long and loud enough, works.

Wow. Truer words were never spoken. I think we could all stand to look at it like this.

Oh, and by the way:

Hilts<----guilty as charged, just like everyone else.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by hitech


So now the question becomes not IF the sides should be equal,
but how to accomplish that equality with least impact to the social apspect of the game.

HiTech

I think that this really is what everyone is searching for. The difficulty of managing it would be hard to overstate. Thanks for the effort.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Wow. Truer words were never spoken. I think we could all stand to look at it like this.

Oh, and by the way:

Hilts<----guilty as charged, just like everyone else.

No big epiphany there ... there is a saying that has been around for ages.

"The squeaky wheel, get the grease".

But rightfully so. In RL, when something in your car squeaks loudly and/or long enough, it deserves attention. It usually indicates something is wrong. A mechanic or someone with indepth knowledge of the car, needs to check it out and decide if there is truly something wrong. If he decides there is something wrong, then it needs to be fixed.

The car is Aces High and the mechanic is HiTech.

[phookat]

Originally posted by baine1
I also have a problem with people complaining about "The horde."
I guess one of my concerns is that I don't know the true makeup of rooks v bish v knights and I don't know if this is done to address a true radical imbalance in the numbers or just because rooks tend to work together on some nights.

The change does not punish or otherwise affect teamwork.  It only affects you if you outnumber the other teams.  So its only purpose and effect is for numbers imbalance.

If some team likes to work together, they can continue to do so.