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Offline SKBG Seadog

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« on: August 20, 2004, 01:01:04 PM »
Can CH Pro peddles work with Cougar HOTAS by using 2 different USB ports?

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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2004, 02:09:37 PM »
Absolutely no problem in AH and most modern sims. It won't work in older games such as CFS 1, Janes WWII Fighters or European Air War as they only recognise 1 controlller.

If you are thinking of buying a Cougar, be careful. It's not to everyones taste.

Also CH stuff has software which shows all three USB devices as one. A neater solution than the Cougar IMHO.

Don't listen to me though. I'm kinda prejudiced.:rolleyes:

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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2004, 02:29:58 PM »
I recently picked up the CH Pro HOTAS.  While checking it out, I also looked at Couger.  After looking at a variety of websites, the comments almost universally suggested that with the Couger, I'd need to replace the pots right out of the box.  Say WHAT???  

For that amount of $$, I want it to work right, the first time, for a long time.  So I went with CH Pro USB for stick, throttle & pedals.  I have to say, it works fabulously (although I suck at AHII...not CH's fault).  Since I don't have a Cougar, I can't comment from personal experience.  But if you google it, you'll probably find what I found.  I know I don't regret the CH Pro USB set up at all.

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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2004, 03:06:53 PM »

I am a true blue Thrustmaster fan, and have been for ~15 years.


I have a Cougar, I pre-ordered it the day they opened up the order forms, almost a year before they shipped. I started using it the day I got it, it has travelled with me to multiple conventions and LAN parties. I have only had one problem with mine in all that time. I'd recommend it to anyone who never wants to buy another stick again. I spent nearly $120 back in the day for an F16FLCS controller, then spent about the same money for the F22 Pro, and another $65 for the TQS. All that means is that $280 for a throttle and stick that are 99% metal construction is not really all that expensive.

PROS
The Cougar is hands down the most customizable controller ever conceived. There are over 120 programmable butons/hats/positions/modifiers, some would say if you add in all the possibilities it is over 10,000 theoretical commands can be programmed into it. They can be set as repeaters, toggles, and key-combos. I am no programmer and am really not using its ability anywhere near the fullest. Construction is also one of the highest points. The stick, the base, the gimbals, even the buttons and hats are made of METAL. This baby is heavy too, at least you 'feel' like you got what you paid for instead of some little plastic toy.

CONS
There have been some teething issues. Almost everyone who has owned their cougar for 2+ years has had to replace the Z-axis potentiometer. This was due to the part being put under stress by actuating the throttle. Thrustmaster has replaced all of the broken Z-axis pots for free to date. The other problem is not so much a wear item as a design flaw; the speedbrake switch (T9/T10) is contained in a housing that is misaligned from the factory. There are half a dozen write ups in the Cougar user-group forums for how to rectify this and avoid having to the TM to replace it when it breaks from being misaligned. The only other flaw that I can think of is the stock gimbal. Although they are metal they DO wear. Mine has thousands of hours on it and was getting a noticeable amount of 'slop' in the middle.

COMMUNITY
Go check out the forums at cougarworld.com sometime. There is a very active community of folks who are constanlty tweaking and adding on to the Cougar. New gimbals are bing produced that exceed the originals, last time I looked there were 3 or 4 different designs. One enterprising fellow has developed a kit that gets rid of potentionmeters entirely and replaces them will Hall sensors. Most of the guys there are F16/FA18 fans, and one of them has built and is selling a kit that takes out all stick movement and replaces it with pressure sensors just like in the real Falcon (that is a VERY expensive mod though).

Bottom line, the Cougar is NOT merely a joystick, it is also not designed for the masses. It is the gold standard and the cadillac of combat flight controllers. Also, if you have been used to CH sticks or Saitek and Microsoft sticks for a long time you may not like the relatively heavy hand required to move the metal grip and 18 pound springs.

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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2004, 03:12:08 PM »
As FOGOLD says he may be a bit prejudiced...:p  However its personal preference and for me I like the way my Cougar feels over the previous CH gear I have used and owned.

If possible try before you buy and yes you most likely will have to replace the pots in the Cougar.
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2004, 04:10:22 PM »
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If possible try before you buy and yes you most likely will have to replace the pots in the Cougar.


The try before you buy is always good advice, but i do not know of any retail outlets where you can 'try' a Cougar. Also the stick (X and Y axis) pots are not an issue, it is the Z-axis that they're replacing a lot of.

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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2004, 09:31:53 PM »
i have been checking out some HOTAS lately, and have almost plunked down the money for an x45, the problem is i cant let go of my old sidewinder 3d pro :) it still works great , and since i just got track ir i have alot more buttons now. i am looking for a seporate throttle now, any recomendations? im looking in the under 50 dollar range.  i saw an x35 joystick and throttle for 10 bucks i might go for on ebay and just ditch the joystick. not sure tho, there has to be some other stuff out there thats preferably usb, and compatible with ah.  would also be cool if i could get a throttle control for controling my gun zoom, since i have track ir i can keep planes in my vision fine and i can zoom in and check their e, would be nice if i could contol how fast i zoom in.

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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2004, 01:05:34 AM »
I use USB CH Pro pedals and trusty no. 09022 Thrustmaster Cougar Hotas.  Works without drama.


On the subject of Cougars....How about sending me your beloved profiles?  :)

Come on Edbert, you know you wanna

if so...

marktrace@actewagl.net.au

thankyou.

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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2004, 10:06:46 AM »
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Originally posted by SKBG Seadog
Can CH Pro peddles work with Cougar HOTAS by using 2 different USB ports?


Seadog,

The USB CH pedals will work with the Cougar, but they will not be controled by the Cougar.  If you have pedals with a Gameport connection, they can be attached to the Cougar, and the axises can be programmed through the Cougar.

If you have any questions about the Cougar, here is the best place to go.

http://cougar.frugalsworld.com/

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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2004, 08:23:11 AM »
anyone know of a company that makes cheaper peddles? or does ch have a monopoly.

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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2004, 08:28:43 AM »
Try looking on eBay for some Elite pedals or even some of the older RCS pedals from Thrustmaster. They hook into the Cougar via the 15 pin port.
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2004, 08:50:02 AM »
SKBG,My apologies up front,I'm looking for SKPG? one in thesame?
Ironblade dropped that name as the one that has all kinds of info on the "pony" if the one,can you email me here?  jmalv@qwest.net
I need some serious help from you, if it's not you again my apologies.

Joe

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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2004, 11:50:54 AM »
TM-Cougar for sale:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=74944&item=5117757180&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Spook...I have numerous scripts i've used over the years for the Cougar. The one i am using now is the most "feature poor" file I ever used. It is down and dirty and as simple as i could make it. It is also setup for use with the TrackIR. I'll send you any of the files I have, which ones do you want or do you want them all?

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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2004, 08:37:02 AM »
Edbert,  I would like a copy of your current script that is trackir friendly.

I have to say I am jealous of your Cougar experience. Since I purchased mine 2 years ago, the x-y pots have been replaced for wear and then replaced with CubPilots hall sensor upgrade. The Z axis pot fried under the infamous firmware flash debacle ;) and the number 1 hat total schized and had to be replaced (main views would start going off in every and any direction)

That being said I still use it daily and know that when it works it is the best piece of kit out there. But just in case a new X-45 sits in the closet as a backup.



(ohh and I forgot about the 2nd trigger detent microswitch that used to fire off on its own.... Killed half a squadron sitting on the runway in a TOD one time with that)

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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2004, 12:46:50 PM »
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Edbert,  I would like a copy of your current script that is trackir friendly.

I have to say I am jealous of your Cougar experience. Since I purchased mine 2 years ago, the x-y pots have been replaced for wear and then replaced with CubPilots hall sensor upgrade. The Z axis pot fried under the infamous firmware flash debacle ;) and the number 1 hat total schized and had to be replaced (main views would start going off in every and any direction)

That being said I still use it daily and know that when it works it is the best piece of kit out there. But just in case a new X-45 sits in the closet as a backup.



(ohh and I forgot about the 2nd trigger detent microswitch that used to fire off on its own.... Killed half a squadron sitting on the runway in a TOD one time with that)


The flash is when I lost my z-axis pot too. I'm still skeptical about that 'iussue' though, I think it was just time for them to go. COngrats on the kit from Cubby, I am envious. I have the Evenstrain kit on order myself but will stick it out with mere potentiometers :D

BTW...where should I send the files?