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Offline rpm

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« on: August 21, 2004, 06:28:04 AM »
Let's see what the FEC says about this:

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Dems see link to Swift Boat Vets, Bush-Cheney

August 21, 2004

BY PETE YOST  

CRAWFORD, Texas -- A volunteer for John Kerry said Friday he picked up a flier in a Bush-Cheney campaign office in Gainesville, Fla., promoting Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group the Bush campaign has insisted for weeks it has no connection to.

The Kerry campaign e-mailed the flier to news organizations Friday, declaring that the Bush- Cheney campaign was ''busted'' for coordinating ''in their smear campaign against John Kerry.''

At Bush-Cheney campaign headquarters outside Washington, spokesman Steve Schmidt said: ''The Bush-Cheney campaign has nothing to do with that piece of paper. . . . I don't know how it showed up at the campaign headquarters.''

The flier distributed at Alachua County Republican Party headquarters promotes a weekend rally sponsored by ''Swift Boat Vets for Truth'' and other groups.

Bill Shilling, a Kerry volunteer in Gainesville, says he went to the GOP offices there Thursday and picked up the flier from a pile of literature on the table.

Financed by a Texas businessman with longtime ties to prominent Republicans in the state, including President Bush, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth sponsored an ad featuring several Vietnam veterans who accuse Kerry of lying about his actions in Vietnam.

Also Friday, the Kerry campaign filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission alleging the group was illegally coordinating its efforts with the Bush-Cheney campaign. The Kerry campaign cited recent press reports and the group's own statements.

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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2004, 06:42:34 AM »
no meetings...

no money changing hands...

no paper trail coordinating efforts...

not even a phone call...

BUSTED!!!
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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2004, 06:43:08 AM »
:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok


Oh Lordy Lord...Oh Lordy Lord...there was a flier for the swift boat vets rally at a Republican campaign center...!!!!

Oh my god, there busted!!!!!



hehehe..

Man, I hope you've got more than this. This piece of crap would'nt even make page 7 of the New York Times!
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2004, 07:15:31 AM »
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What does it take to prove coordination under the FEC rules?

To prove, for example, that an outside group’s ad was coordinated with a candidate’s campaign, any one of the following is required, according to FEC spokesman Bob Biersack:

-The ad being aired by the group was broadcast at the request or suggestion of the candidate, his campaign or an agent of the campaign.

-The group suggested the ad and the candidate or his agent assented to the ad, for example, by saying something such as, “That sounds like a good idea to me.”

-The candidate or his agent was materially involved in decisions about the content of the ad, the times and places where it would air, the medium used, etc.

-The ad was aired after what the FEC calls “substantial discussion” between the person or outside group paying for the ad and the campaign. If, for example, a campaign manager said to the head of a 527 group, “Over the next two weeks, our campaign’s ads will focus on the loss of textile jobs in this state,” and the outside group then ran its own ads buttressing that message, it would be coordination.
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2004, 07:35:31 AM »
So they have a flier that anyone with "good intentions" could have made? Now Bush-Cheney are affiliated with the swift vets? Wow maybe I'll go print up some fliers linking Kerry to some of the 527 groups on his side and say I got them at my local Dumbocrat office.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2004, 08:35:38 AM »
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Originally posted by Coolridr
So they have a flier that anyone with "good intentions" could have made? Now Bush-Cheney are affiliated with the swift vets? Wow maybe I'll go print up some fliers linking Kerry to some of the 527 groups on his side and say I got them at my local Dumbocrat office.:rolleyes:


Screw that.

Lets make up some fliers for an Islamic Jihad Rally and leave them on a table at a Kerry Campaign center.

That would link them for sure!!
:rolleyes:
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2004, 08:38:31 AM »
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Screw that.

Lets make up some fliers for an Islamic Jihad Rally and leave them on a table at a Kerry Campaign center.

That would link them for sure!!
:rolleyes:


Great Idea...I'm taking my prototype add to kinkos right after I post this.:rofl
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Offline Toad

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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2004, 08:40:29 AM »
Obviously someone is getting desperate.
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2004, 09:21:04 AM »
Just a question here.

Other than Kerry's denial of this groups statements, has there been any verifiable outside confirmation that either side is lying?

So far it seems that a group of folks who were there with Kerry are contradicting his earlier claims. It seems (IMO) both sides are just pointing fingers and making unverified claims. Has anyone been able to provide proof contrary to either's claim?

In either case no one denied Kerry his right to state what he wanted about his service in compliance with the 1st ammendment. Why would he be trying to deny others their right to contradict his claims.

It seems both sides need to get an outside independant investigation of the claims. I honestly don't see how that could happen given the circumstances of the election. :(
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2004, 09:39:27 AM »
The irony of the whole thing is that the only commercials who mention another electee's name, are none other than Kerry's.  
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2004, 09:47:52 AM »
The best thing about this whole political silliness is that rpm has exposed himself (over and over) as the flaming liberal that he is...  as have others.  They are all out of the closet because of how "important" this election is...

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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2004, 10:34:22 AM »
I am sure going to be glad when this election is over.
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2004, 11:10:11 AM »
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Obviously someone is getting desperate.

No kidding, I think you're grasping at straws with that one, RPM.
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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2004, 11:20:25 AM »
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Other than Kerry's denial of this groups statements, has there been any verifiable outside confirmation that either side is lying?

I dunno...this made me think twice about the ad though:

"Alfred French, a Clackamas County prosecutor who also served in Vietnam, called Kerry a liar in a television ad. In an interview with The Oregonian, he acknowledged he didn't witness any of the combat incidents involving Kerry but was relying on reports from three friends who were there."

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/1093089856215831.xml

He didn't witness the events, but is willing to go on national television to call Kerry a liar about what happened there?  How many of the others in the ad were actually there when it happened?
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2004, 11:22:43 AM »
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no meetings...

no money changing hands...

no paper trail coordinating efforts...

not even a phone call...

BUSTED!!!


People have invaded countrys for less!
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