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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2004, 10:43:57 PM »
Hey MT congrtas on the 10,000!
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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2004, 10:43:58 PM »
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I'm curious Nash, do you think moveon.org is a part of Kerry's machine?


Nope.
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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2004, 10:48:44 PM »
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Nope.


Sp moveon is a fine independant group not financially backed and driven by rich billionaires who also just happend to support Kerry?

You are so full of it, no wonder with people like you on his side that Kerry openly hires moveon.org people to be some of his key advisers..
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2004, 10:53:25 PM »
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Sp moveon is a fine independant group not financially backed and driven by rich billionaires who also just happend to support Kerry?


Sure moveon is supported by people who (ooh!) "also just happen to support Kerry". Duh. Like, what do you expect?

Here's my challenge to you:

Take a bit of time and follow the money of both moveon and the swifters... I look forward to hearing what you come up with.
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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2004, 10:55:08 PM »
Mcgroin....

 You are ,with respect, wrong. The liberals have some power to stop free speach, and are doing every thing they can to do so, with the help of major media types.

Think about it ,the liberals here, vets or not, are saying near three hundred vets are lying,

 At the same time we are saying look at the facts, the ones who agree with kerry see it the way they see it. Let him release his records and put all to rest, thats all.

 Problem is more things are coming out,ok you have mc cain, and thats fine, he deserves his views,now what are you going to do about the the pows that came out to day? One of them spent 7 or 8 years as pow. Are they lying to?

What about dole,he is right, in a short time we will have a president that has 3 purple hearts ,but he never did any bleeding.

 Why is it the left does not believe in character any longer?
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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2004, 11:01:19 PM »
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What about dole,he is right, in a short time we will have a president that has 3 purple hearts ,but he never did any bleeding.

 Why is it the left does not believe in character any longer?


Whatta load.

One of Dole's purple hearts came as a result of him throwing a grenade at himself, resulting in a superficial wound.

Did Dole get attacked about that during the '96 elections? As if... Unthinkable. At least it was.

This stuff you're seeing now is just plain wrong.... so wrong.

Why is it the left does not believe in character any longer?

Suck a nut.
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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2004, 11:08:00 PM »
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March 10, 2004, Washington Post, "The Democratic 527 organizations have drawn support from some wealthy liberals determined to defeat Bush. They include financier George Soros and his wife, Susan Weber Soros, who gave $5 million to America Coming Together (ACT) and $1.46 million to MoveOn.org; Peter B. Lewis, chief executive of the Progressive Corp., who gave $3 million to ACT and $500,000 to MoveOn; and Linda Pritzker, of the Hyatt hotel family, and her Sustainable World Corp., who gave $4 million to the joint fundraising committee

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5/4/04 Fox News, Special Report, Cameron"Many Of Them Are Republicans Who Have Contributed To And Backed Various Bush Campaigns And Causes Over The Decades" "Kerry's military service was an asset during the primaries; critics hoped to transform it into a liability now. The GOP says it's not involved with the veterans criticizing Kerry, but many of them are Republicans who have contributed to and backed various Bush campaigns and causes over the decades."


Seems like if you are going to throw swift boats out due to the partisanship of it’s contributors, you need to do the same thing for MoveOn.
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« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2004, 11:09:14 PM »
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Mcgroin....

You are ,with respect, wrong. The liberals have some power to stop free speach, and are doing every thing they can to do so, with the help of major media types.


Since when is GWB a liberal? I was referring to GWB's ability to use the power of his office to stop Swift Boats  from buying ad time.  He has no law to stand on to prohibit their free speech.
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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2004, 11:16:42 PM »
Well...

I gotta concede this, some...

Of course the support is entirely partisan -  that's not really anything suprising, obviously, and not really what I was getting at.

But I think the difference lies in the fact that moveon doesn't present itself as anything other than partisan. How could it?

On the other hand, all of a sudden we have these seemingly independant voices from Vietnam. But they are so not that. The trail from them to the whitehouse is as clear as the trail from moveon to its contributors.

But I have yet to see anyone here cop to that fact.

I'm willing to say that, indeed and of course, moveon is a partisan organization run by partisans. Will any of you be the first to say the same about the swifters?
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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2004, 11:26:12 PM »
I would concede that moveon is supported by those who do not want Bush, and Swift Vets is supported by those who do not want Kerry.

Direct ties to either campaign are not proven, they are circumstantial because the supporters of MoveOn are fervent enough to also support and even work for the Democratic campaign and the same is true for swift boats and the Republican side.

I will say that for the contributors / supporters of the swifties, but I am not ready to say that each of the veterans themselves are raving partisans.
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« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2004, 11:28:37 PM »
Nash.....lol thanks...

 Thanks for your reply ,it is so neat to watch liberals when they have no reasonable reply begin the derogatory statements .

 Mc groin, sorry, I didnt make my self clear,the you was generic, and I was saying that the liberals do try to stop free speech when it suits them.And you are right on,gwb has no legal right to stop anyone.

 Notice how fast kerrys group tried?
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« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2004, 11:34:26 PM »
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"...and Swift Vets is supported by those who do not want Kerry."


Oh, you think so? Reeeally?

Heh, come on...

Way to couch the obvious while denying the obvious.

It appears you are under the impression that the swifters were basically lost satellites, orbiting the political landscape in lonesome frustration, until finally defying all mathematical probability came crashing into eachother last month forming what would be called The Swifters for Freedom With a Book to Sell.

Nah... nothing else at all involved here...

Why can't you just cop to it Holden? We're reasonable men here.
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« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2004, 11:37:15 PM »
To be honest, I don't have a problem with 527's, if they have ethics rules to follow. Anyone should be allowed to speak their mind about a candidate, PROVIDING they follow some rules about mudslinging. That mudslinging and dogpiling was the whole purpose behind the campaign reforms. Like anything else left to politicians, they took something good and curdled it.

Bush fell short of what I would have liked to hear, but it's a step. He failed to call the ads false.  At least the words came from his lips.  I think if you dig, there IS a connection with SBVFT and BFP but Dubya is personally unaware. Karl Rove and his minions are a different story...al la "You can't handle the truth".
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« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2004, 11:41:15 PM »
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I think if you dig, there IS a connection with SBVFT and BFP but Dubya is personally unaware. Karl Rove and his minions are a different story...al la "You can't handle the truth".


I agree with ya re 527s... But "Dubya is personally unaware"? Not a chance in hell. There is a reason why Jr. hired Rove. It is the same reason Sr. hired Rove. The guy is a fluff'n dog. He has been doing this watermelon since he was in college...
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« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2004, 11:48:10 PM »
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Since when is GWB a liberal? I was referring to GWB's ability to use the power of his office to stop Swift Boats  from buying ad time.  He has no law to stand on to prohibit their free speech.


Using the power of his office to stop speech is specifically prohibeted by the constitution. He may not agree with the message but he does not have the authority or perogitive to use his office to stop it.

Prevention of that very thing you propose is exactly why that first ammendment was written.
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