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Offline GRUNHERZ

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Is FW190 wing root gun mount a disadvantage in AH?
« on: August 24, 2004, 05:59:24 PM »
Somehow I feel that aircraft with guns mounted outside the prop arc, where you can see them, are better for aiming purposes.

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Is FW190 wing root gun mount a disadvantage in AH?
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2004, 06:58:23 PM »
No, not really.  I got used to flying the Spit 14, which has the 2 hizookas mounted pretty far back.  

When I jumped back into a Dora for a few sorties, I was really surprised at how awesome the guns were.  I was hitting shots that I'd miss in the Spit, because of the convergence settings.

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Is FW190 wing root gun mount a disadvantage in AH?
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2004, 07:15:56 PM »
Hmm I cant hit anything in the Dora compared to a Spit. I miss the most obvious shots in the D9, close range, stalled, prop hanging, crossing shots - all sorts of easy stuff.  May I ask, what are your convergence settings? Also do yoiu ever use combat trim in d9?

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Is FW190 wing root gun mount a disadvantage in AH?
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2004, 07:48:46 PM »
GRUNHERZ, hitting with hispanos is clearly easier than hitting with 151/20. Doesnt matter where the guns are paced. While having the guns more centered (wing roots) would be and advantage (your horizontal error possible is smaller and dispersion should be also smaller having the guns placed in a very rigid placement), current modeled dispersion to the left and to the right minimizes or nullifies this advantage, and bullet drop becomes the revelant factor.

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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2004, 12:15:39 AM »
I use 250 for convergence for MGs and cannon, on both planes.  What would usually happen to me in the Spit is I would get to close, so the rounds would fly past the plane on either side of where I was aiming.  In the 190, since the guns aren't as far apart, they hit more often when you aren't exactly at convergence range.

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Is FW190 wing root gun mount a disadvantage in AH?
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2004, 09:02:19 AM »
Hmm, not sure, but could it be that esp because the 190 inner guns fire through the prop-arc they are synced and have a considerably lower rate of fire?

Maybe the ones who have problems with low ROF guns are used to snapshots. Maybe you have a greater chance of getting 2 hisp. projectiles hitting a wing than 2 mauser projectiles because there is more space between the two, more time between the following rounds hitting the target. In snapshots this could lead to two hispano hits on one wing (very lethal) vs one Mauser hit (not so lethal).

But, wehn you are used to maneuver so that the target does not move too much relatively, you get quite some hits (2x20mm + 2x13mm) in a small area, even on somewhat different distances because of the lower dispersion. trying this with a spit will give you much dispersion (when not exactly at conv-range).

Just a thought.

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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2004, 09:29:54 AM »
I think that for someone like Mandoble, the Spitfire actually would be easier to hit with.  If you are making passes at people, always firing at the same range, you set your convergence for that range.  In that case, since the Hizooka and .50 fly faster and straighter than the Mg-151 and 13mm, it would be easier to get hits.  

But if you aren't firing at the same range all the time, the closer your guns are to the centerline of your plane, the better.

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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2004, 03:17:27 PM »
Urchin, I rarely fire at more than 300 yards, mostly high deflection shots and I never use the sight for aiming. About hispanos, I dont fly Spits, my main experience with them comes from F4U1C and P38L. You only need to follow a set of tracers (left of right gun) for a second, correct the aiming and hit (just imagine you only have left wing guns or right wing guns). With hispanos you dont need to concentrate the fire of both wings guns on the target, very few pings are a sure kill.