Author Topic: Flame bait in the OC? (Read 725 times)

Gunslinger · « **Reply #15 on:** August 25, 2004, 01:12:02 AM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK

Just like going into a bar. If anyone went inot a bar and started raising the kind of nonsence that goes on the boards here we would be as a comedian once said "tossed outside like a frisbee".

Its funny you mention bar. The "O'club" is named after a "Bar" of sorts.

Most bars I've worked at have standing policy no politics no religion. Take away those two subjects and most of the posts in here would in fact be very bland.

opus · « **Reply #16 on:** August 25, 2004, 01:38:33 AM »

>>As you put it HTC is a buisness. the stuff that was being spewed all over the boards was not exactly the kind of advertising I'd want for my buisness.
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Fine - is that what this is? Advertisment? I thought it was community. If "community" is just a euphemism for advertisement, I find it slightly dishonest - my bad for not bing cynical enough to suspect spam.

>>Also in effect this is HTC's house. We pay to play the game..period. Ther is no charge for posting on the boards.
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But HTC's house is built on ground paved by democratic ideals. There is no *legal* reason for HTC to foster open communication or democratic ideals, but I believe there is an ethical reason. The ethical reasaon is they couldn't exist without them and shouldn't want to squander them for their personal profit, and wanting to would indicate an immense character flaw.

Up until a couple of years ago, physicians had no *legal* duty to inform patients of successful treatments if the HMO they were employed by didn't cover the treatments. They definitely had an *ethical* duty to do so. Thankfully, in most states, they now have a legal duty to do so.

Thats not completely off topic. It illustrates the last ditch argument of legal resposibility. Ethical responsibility is a much better reasoning tool.

The legal resposibility is not much more than CYA, or pork filled words laden with loopholes that once has some semblance of ethics before being butchered by intelectual thugs .

Sixpence · « **Reply #17 on:** August 25, 2004, 08:35:05 AM »

Steve, where would you rate this on the whine-o-meter?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #18 on:** August 25, 2004, 08:40:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
I personally blame the democrats and european democrat wanna-be's for bringing the censorship on.

Airhead · « **Reply #19 on:** August 25, 2004, 10:31:57 AM »

I think we're all capable of behaving civilly, which is all that Pyro is asking us to do. We've all been here long enough that we know what's expected, and most of us have no problem with it and post without reservation within the guidelines.

wrag · « **Reply #20 on:** August 25, 2004, 01:52:16 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Im not big on this whole moderation thing myself but ya had to see this comming a mile and half away.
I know I did.
Hell we were even warned.
But even beore that just the way the threads were going you just knew it couldnt stay that way.

Each new thread seemed to turn and degrade into a flamefest of epic proportions which went to beyond rediculous. And the boards by and large sunk to new alltime lows.

Seems there are a whole lot of people here who cannot dissagree and debate a subject in a civilised manner without resorting to childlike namecalling and personal attacks

Basically the community brought this upon ourselves.
We were given ALOT of latitude for an awful long time and basically the community abused it to the point where something had to be done

Dispite repeated gentle hints to knock it off and at least one thread warning of this everyone just ignored what was said and did whatever they wanted anyway.

If anyone wants to be mad over this dont be mad at HTC
Be angry with ourselves.
Because it is we the community as a whole that let it go on and get to the point where HTC had no other option but to take the action it did.

I have to agree with DREDIOCK. SIR

To me freedom of speach is great but freedom, any freedom, requires self control and responsibilty or it becomes a sort of tyranny for all others.

Pretty sure you can say anything you want if you think about how to say it first and then say it. This means name calling is out. Personel attacks are out. ETC....

Angering the other person/persons does little good anyway. In fact it can create an enemy where you might of had a friend that disagreed with you.

With some of the post I've seen on this bbs, I see in my mind those wild eyed spit flying from their mouths, screaming in your face, shouldn't be trusted with a spoon in their hand cause they may try to attack you with it, or hurt themselves, fanatic types. Not saying any of them are but that's what comes to mind.

Passion? Hey we all tend to get fired up over something. BUT out of control is just that out of control.

Post away but maybe try and think about how you would react to someone using your words on you? Would you really say that if the other person was standing nose to nose with you?

Gunslinger · « **Reply #21 on:** August 25, 2004, 06:40:12 PM »

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Originally posted by opus
>>As you put it HTC is a buisness. the stuff that was being spewed all over the boards was not exactly the kind of advertising I'd want for my buisness.
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Fine - is that what this is? Advertisment? I thought it was community. If "community" is just a euphemism for advertisement, I find it slightly dishonest - my bad for not bing cynical enough to suspect spam.

>>Also in effect this is HTC's house. We pay to play the game..period. Ther is no charge for posting on the boards.
<<

But HTC's house is built on ground paved by democratic ideals. There is no *legal* reason for HTC to foster open communication or democratic ideals, but I believe there is an ethical reason. The ethical reasaon is they couldn't exist without them and shouldn't want to squander them for their personal profit, and wanting to would indicate an immense character flaw.

Up until a couple of years ago, physicians had no *legal* duty to inform patients of successful treatments if the HMO they were employed by didn't cover the treatments. They definitely had an *ethical* duty to do so. Thankfully, in most states, they now have a legal duty to do so.

Thats not completely off topic. It illustrates the last ditch argument of legal resposibility. Ethical responsibility is a much better reasoning tool.

The legal resposibility is not much more than CYA, or pork filled words laden with loopholes that once has some semblance of ethics before being butchered by intelectual thugs .

It's no different than a mall owner being responsible for what happens in his mall or parking lot.

If crime is being commited or if there is a disturbance in the parkinglot people might not want to shop their.

Whine all you want but this board belongs to Hitech. He pays for the bandwidth...server...software ect. It has his name on it and if it gives his business a bad name than it is not benificial for Hitechcreations.

If this "community" turns into a bad neighborhood that no one wants to go their it could hurt his business.

I dont personally speak for this company but if an admin were to respond I think they'd tell you pretty much the same thing I did.

Again Whine all you want.....If you dont like the rules dont post here. Nobody will miss you!

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 25, 2004, 07:23:20 PM »

Interesting a guy talking about honesty and taking pot shots at the moderators, is not honest enough himself to post who he was and what got him banned.

SLO · « **Reply #23 on:** August 25, 2004, 08:27:35 PM »

blablabla....

Control freaks, freaks control, control control, make sure you handle all situations with civility and control, you fuggin utopian freaks:aok

a studmuffin, is a studmuffin know matter how beautiful you paint the picture, still a studmuffin:cool:

opus · « **Reply #24 on:** August 25, 2004, 10:12:24 PM »

>>It has allready happend look it up on google.
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ER no it hasn't and I don't have to look it up. A pseudonym can't meet the definition of slander - period. Don't confuse pseudonyms with *registered* trademarks.

opus · « **Reply #25 on:** August 25, 2004, 10:19:46 PM »

>>Whine all you want but this board belongs to Hitech. He pays for the bandwidth...server...software ect. It has his name on it and if it gives his business a bad name than it is not benificial for Hitechcreations.
<<

Well babble all you like. Insults don't pass as logic to anyone with a IQ over 80. I see a lot of complaints about whinning (whatever the hell that subjective characterization is),. but none about babbling drivel. If you have a point, make it. Don't waste my time with how you personaly rate an argument or point - I really don't care if its not backled up with evidence or logic.

opus · « **Reply #26 on:** August 25, 2004, 10:30:15 PM »

>>Interesting a guy talking about honesty and taking pot shots at the moderators, is not honest enough himself to post who he was and what got him banned.
<<

Keep up, will you. I've taken no pot shots at moderators - I have voiced criticism and reasons for the criticism. It wasn't MY post that was removed (get out of school yard why don't you). It was a post stating that Iraq was a failure and removed for being flame bait. Personaly I don't think Iraq is a failure, but some mainstream columnists have asked this very questrion. It is certainly a valid argument, whether you agree or not. To have it removed as flame bait, shows a certain ignorance of the debate surrounding Iraq.

Got it now? Wasn't my post or about a post I even agreed with. I have no vested interest in the post. Its about open communication, or a democratic ideal. I don't need someone who doesn't recognize the debate of Iraq being a failure and why (as misinformed as it may be), editing what I'm reading.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #27 on:** August 25, 2004, 10:31:02 PM »

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Originally posted by opus

Well babble all you like. Insults don't pass as logic to anyone with a IQ over 80. I see a lot of complaints about whinning (whatever the hell that subjective characterization is),. but none about babbling drivel. If you have a point, make it. Don't waste my time with how you personaly rate an argument or point - I really don't care if its not backled up with evidence or logic.

The funny thing about law suits is that you dont have to prove anything to file one. All you gotta do is show up in court.

A buddy of mine had to hire a lawyer for a suit once and for a weeks work it cost him 5Gs in lawyer bills. All for a frivilous suit.

you want to pick and choose what to respond to because you know you are wrong on everything else than fine waist our time with your self described "dribble"

I'm not trying to silence you because I think you are dumb, I'm telling you what the rules are and if you dont want to follow them dont post. You can complain all you want about how much you dont like them but when it all boils down to it you dont own this forum.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #28 on:** August 25, 2004, 10:32:49 PM »

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Originally posted by opus
>>Interesting a guy talking about honesty and taking pot shots at the moderators, is not honest enough himself to post who he was and what got him banned.
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Keep up, will you. I've taken no pot shots at moderators - I have voiced criticism and reasons for the criticism. It wasn't MY post that was removed (get out of school yard why don't you). It was a post stating that Iraq was a failure and removed for being flame bait. Personaly I don't think Iraq is a failure, but some mainstream columnists have asked this very questrion. It is certainly a valid argument, whether you agree or not. To have it removed as flame bait, shows a certain ignorance of the debate surrounding Iraq.

Got it now? Wasn't my post or about a post I even agreed with. I have no vested interest in the post. Its about open communication, or a democratic ideal. I don't need someone who doesn't recognize the debate of Iraq being a failure and why (as misinformed as it may be), editing what I'm reading.

wasnt your post title "neocon treason" if that's not a troll I don't know what is. You can lie to everyone else but when you lie to yourself well who are you really fooling?

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 25, 2004, 10:35:14 PM »

Then go find a non moderated forum.

This board belongs to Hitech, you can make all the arguments you want about censorship on this board being against a democratic ideal, it will not mater.

This is their board; they moderate it how they see fit.

You have no free speech on a company’s property.

Try something like http://www.flamevault.com/

What do you hope to accomplish here?