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Let states decide, says Cheney
« on: August 25, 2004, 10:47:24 AM »
Cheney splits with Bush on gay marriage ban
By Marc Kaufman and Mike Allen, Washington Post  |  August 25, 2004

WATERFORD, Mich. -- Vice President Dick Cheney yesterday spelled out his differences with President Bush on the volatile issue of gay marriage while for the first time discussing his daughter's homosexuality in a public setting.

 
Asked his position on the subject at a town hall meeting in Davenport, Iowa, Cheney replied: ''Lynne and I have a gay daughter, so it's an issue that our family is very familiar with. . . . With respect to the question of relationships, my general view is that freedom means freedom for everyone. People ought to be able to free -- ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to."

Cheney went on to reiterate the position he first outlined in the 2000 campaign -- that same-sex marriage should be left to the states to decide. He noted, however, that Bush has endorsed a constitutional amendment preventing the states from recognizing such marriages.

''At this point . . . my own preference is as I've stated," Cheney said. ''But the president makes basic policy for the administration. And he's made it."

The remarks were the farthest Cheney has gone in laying out his differences with Bush's position, and they took leaders of the GOP conservative base by surprise. Although Bush has rarely discussed his support for the amendment, conservatives viewed his stance as one of the most important social statements of his term. Republican strategists said it would motivate Christian voters to the polls even though it risks alienating swing voters.

The Family Research Council, a conservative group with close White House ties, called Cheney's remarks disappointing. ''Unfortunately protection of our values is made more difficult when mixed messages emanate from the White House," said Tony Perkins, the group's president. ''We support President Bush's commitment to a constitutional amendment on marriage, but we are left to wonder why the vice president is allowed to depart from this position when the top of the ticket is unified on all other issues."

The Human Rights Campaign, the leading gay rights lobbying group, issued an enthusiastic statement after Cheney's remarks. ''President Bush must be feeling the heat," said the group's president, Cheryl Jacques. ''Millions of Republican families, like the Cheneys, have gay friends and family members and are offended by President Bush's efforts to put discrimination in the Constitution."

Bush officials said Cheney has such deep and longtime goodwill among conservatives that the White House is not worried about the political fallout from the exchange.

Cheney's remark was the first time the vice president has taken note of his daughter's sexual orientation in public, officials said. Mary Cheney works for the Bush-Cheney campaign as director of vice presidential operations, responsible for her father's political travel and appearances
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2004, 11:39:20 AM »
"Splits with Bush?"

Hes never supported an amendment banning gay marraige.  This isnt new.

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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2004, 11:47:39 AM »
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
"Splits with Bush?"

Hes never supported an amendment banning gay marraige.  This isnt new.


"Both Bush and Cheney have voiced their support this year for the proposed constitutional amendment."

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0704/158538.html

It's all over google.

Do try to keep up.

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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2004, 11:49:52 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2004, 12:14:08 PM »
rpm, what does a picture of a stack of John Kerrys have to do with this thread? :)

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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2004, 12:54:43 PM »
Hopefully this will take some of the heat of his daughter from the gay community.

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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2004, 02:13:28 PM »
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"Both Bush and Cheney have voiced their support this year for the proposed constitutional amendment."

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0704/158538.html

It's all over google.

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I dont see anything other than that line whic is pretty vague.  Lets use his words instead of the words of a reporter:

"I think that the constitutional amendment discussion will give us an opportunity to look for ways to discuss ways in which we can keep the authority of the states intact," Cheney told CNN's "Late Edition."

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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2004, 05:31:05 PM »
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I dont see anything other than that line whic is pretty vague.  Lets use his words instead of the words of a reporter:

"I think that the constitutional amendment discussion will give us an opportunity to look for ways to discuss ways in which we can keep the authority of the states intact," Cheney told CNN's "Late Edition."


OK, let's do that. You didn't look very hard:

"What I said in 2000 was that the question of whether or not some sort of status, legal status or sanction ought to be granted in the case of a relationship between two individuals of the same sex was historically a matter the states had decided and resolved, and that is the way I preferred it," Cheney said.

But "at this stage, obviously, the president is going to have to make a decision in terms of what administration policy is on this particular provision, and I will support whatever decision he makes."

or:

"The president's taken the clear position that he supports a constitutional amendment," Cheney said in an interview with MSNBC. "I support him."

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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2004, 06:28:17 PM »
So he supports the President.  Thats what a Vice President does.

It doesnt mean he agrees.

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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2004, 06:31:11 PM »
Yes cheney does support him even without agreeing with them.

The only reason the adminstrations policy is to amend the constitution is becuase Judges were decided what the law was from the bench instead of giving people a say in the matter.


I'm not sure what the point of this thread is?????  are trying to accuse Cheney of waffling on this issue?  He's had the same opinion the entire time and it hasnt changed.  He was quoted the other day saying that he thinks this is a "state issue and has always been historically a state issue"

Bush agrees that it is also a state Issue but doesnt want to allow activist judges to make laws via inturpretation from the bench.

I dont see anything wrong with the states deciding and would not like to see a constitutional amendment.

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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2004, 06:42:53 PM »
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I dont see anything wrong with the states deciding and would not like to see a constitutional amendment.

That's not the way GWB see's it. He supported Texas' sodomy laws until that bunch of liberals on the supreme court stuck it down. Let him put a couple of the right people on the bench and we can throw 'em all in jail again before it's too late! Landslide BUSH!
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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2004, 07:02:50 PM »
"support" when used in context like this always seems to me like politico-doublespeak.


What does this "support" actually entail.  Presenting arguements against a position is undermining it, not supporting it.  :confused:

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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2004, 07:04:16 PM »
Wow, RPM, it is a bad thing for the Gov of a state to actually support the laws of that state until they are changed by the appropriate authority?  You are a piece of work, let me tell you.

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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2004, 07:07:27 PM »
Follow, yes.  Support, not necessarily.

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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2004, 07:18:34 PM »
I think this helps Bush, imo. It casts Cheney in a whole new light, it brings him down to an everyday person who deals with the same type of situations that everyone else does. It also shows that he stands by his family, no matter what lifestyle they choose. I do not see how this can be taken in a negative way.

And it separates him from far right conservatives who think he must stay in line

 ''We support President Bush's commitment to a constitutional amendment on marriage, but we are left to wonder why the vice president is allowed to depart from this position when the top of the ticket is unified on all other issues."

Good for him
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