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Offline Drunky

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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2004, 05:42:04 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2004, 12:42:45 PM »
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That would be Sad, nobody has suffer under the Yoke of Islam like the Christans of the Caucuses.


OK, to revive the tread and stop it from dieing hijacked.

The problem is that noone but Russians stopped Georgians from falling under the "yoke of Islam". Georgian king wrote to Russian Emperor that he "begs on his knees" to be included into Russian Empire. Now they call Russians "occupants" and "opressors".

All this "parade of independance" was pure nonsence. It was organised by local "princes" who wanted to rule according to their tribal traditions. Look, immediately after they got "independance" they started wars: civilian (in Georgia and Azerbaijan) and Georgian-Osetin, Georgian-Abkhazian and Armenia-Azerbaijan. Georgia and Armenia also suffered severe economical disasters, because their economics was strongly integrated into Russian-Soviet, and they have no natural resources like oil of Baku. Now - who needs tangerins from Georgia? Who needs their wine?

OTOH, Russia still supplies them gas and oil by some strange tariffs, almost for free. At the same time Georgians host Chechen terrorists and recieve military aid from the US, guess against whom...
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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2004, 03:03:51 PM »
Borda,

Didn't the Armenians rise up against Turkey after Russia promised support following WWI?

Result- Russian's sat by and 1,000,000+ Armenians murdered?

Orthodox Brothers ....Murdered by Islam...
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Re: Question to Boroda or other Russian?
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2004, 05:48:31 AM »
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With the Chechen war and all of the atrocities, terroism etc, are other people of the Caucuses getting the fallout..ie christans like Armenians etc?

I saw a report that they are indeed being generaly mistreated by Russian security forces.

That would be Sad, nobody has suffer under the Yoke of Islam like the Christans of the Caucuses.


BigMan, christian Armenia occupy at the moment 25% of muslim Azerbaijan, with around 800,000 Azeries refuges at the own homeland. It was attrocities at both sides. It was many of Armenians killed in Azerbaijan in Baku and Sumgait (sp?) during attrocities. It was whole Azerbaijan villages destroyed with a civilian population in Narogny Karabakh, for example Khogaly. For some strange reason attrocities of muslim Azeries made it to the international news while attrocities of christian Armenians known only to few outside of Azerbaijan.

I am not a muslim, neither I am a christian. I have friends everywhere around the world, including armenian friends. Probably this is due to my respect of people because of their personal qualities, not because of their nationality or religion. But neither I am a blind or stupid. I know what is mass media and saw informational wars too many times in my life.

If you want to be an informational puppet, keep believing what that say on news or write in papers.
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Offline BigMan

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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2004, 10:46:52 AM »
Fariz,

  I look at the geography of Narogny Karabakh and it looks to me like it should be part of Armenia.  Just an observation.

You guys seeing any fallout from the Chechen war?
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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2004, 12:14:14 PM »
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Borda,

Didn't the Armenians rise up against Turkey after Russia promised support following WWI?

Result- Russian's sat by and 1,000,000+ Armenians murdered?

Orthodox Brothers ....Murdered by Islam...


Frankly speaking - I am not an expert in Caucasian history. :( IIRC a part of Armenia (smallest part) was "liberated" by Russian Army in a war of 1877-78. During WWI Caucasian front was important, and Russian Army had some offencives there, but it's impossible to blame Russians for inability to free all Armenia from Turks. I mean that Russia did what it could, not only "promised".

Fariz, thank you. It's a view that many people completely miss. Probably because Armenians are traditionaly seen as "victims" and they have great foreing diaspora, much more powerfull then Turkish/Azerbaijanian. I hope you understand that I have nothing against Azerbaijanian people and I wish you guys to solve problems without bloodshed.

BTW, what is your attitude to young Aliyev? I think his Father was a great man, probably the wisest Soviet-school leader of the former USSR.
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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2004, 07:06:16 PM »
Personal attack
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Offline BigMan

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« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2004, 06:43:13 PM »
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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2004, 06:59:13 PM »
Armenian, eh?

That would explain the hatred of Islam. Terrible thing that happened.
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Offline Hogboy

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« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2004, 07:08:27 AM »
Off topic/Personal attack
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Offline Boroda

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« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2004, 10:02:06 AM »
I didn't think this thread is about baiting some people for their previous achievements.

BigMan asks interesting questions. He definetly can be biased, and there is nothing wrong about it. Iam biased, Fariz may be biased too.

I have deepest respect to Armenian culture, as well as to Moslim tradition.

I am an atheist raised in a society with rong Orthodox tradition.

Starting to master bait in a thread about national/religious relations is IMHO impolite and pretty stupid.
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Offline BigMan

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« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2004, 09:23:01 PM »
Borda,

Hogboy is just angry that he wasn't around in the 19th century to fight for his mother land- the swamps of South Arkansas.

BTW, did Tom get cut?   I didn't see him on Monday night football?

Hogboy's cuz is a rookie for the Dallas Cowboys.
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Offline B17Skull12

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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2004, 10:03:40 PM »
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Borda,

Hogboy is just angry that he wasn't around in the 19th century to fight for his mother land- the swamps of South Arkansas.

BTW, did Tom get cut?   I didn't see him on Monday night football?

Hogboy's cuz is a rookie for the Dallas Cowboys.
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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2004, 11:09:45 PM »
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