Author Topic: F4u-1, F4u-1c (Read 917 times)

memnon · « **on:** August 26, 2004, 02:43:51 PM »

Been doing some research and found that the F4U-1A and the F4U-1C both had wing tanks 62 gallons each. I know that in AH1 they had them and i am wondering why in AH2 they do not. Why were the wing tanks removed from these aircraft? Will they be put back in?

Soulyss · « **Reply #1 on:** August 26, 2004, 02:50:15 PM »

As I recall the F4U-1C did not have wing tanks. It was identical to the F4U-1D except the guns (with whatever wight difference that may impose).

I should clarify... the F4U-1C did not have fuel tanks in the wings in AH1 as I recall.

AcId · « **Reply #2 on:** August 26, 2004, 03:30:16 PM »

furthermore the F4U-1 in AH2 does have wing tanks, you may just not be loading enough fuel to where they are needed.

memnon · « **Reply #3 on:** August 26, 2004, 03:39:04 PM »

I will check again tonight.

Howitzer · « **Reply #4 on:** August 26, 2004, 04:14:40 PM »

I know for sure that AH1, the F4u1-C didn't have the wing tanks, just the 1 main tank. I remember this because I recall cussing up a storm when I look down and I'm out of fuel with 9+ kills on board =) The F4u1 also seems to be a bit more sluggish than the C and D models, but maybe thats just me...

Rafe35 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 26, 2004, 05:49:20 PM »

Soulyss is correct about F4U-1C is identical to F4U-1D

memnon · « **Reply #6 on:** August 27, 2004, 03:00:38 AM »

In AH2 the F4U-1C is identical to the F4U-1D but the research that i have done indicate's that the -1C should be a -1A with 20mm's (fuselage tank and wing tanks).

Referance Material America's hundred thousand

If i'm wrong please tell me where i can find out.

I know alot of you guys are deep into the facts and figures of all the aircraft and i'm just starting to get into that info and so all i'm doing is pointing out and asking at the same time a mistake that i think i have found.

whels · « **Reply #7 on:** August 27, 2004, 06:53:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Howitzer
I know for sure that AH1, the F4u1-C didn't have the wing tanks, just the 1 main tank. I remember this because I recall cussing up a storm when I look down and I'm out of fuel with 9+ kills on board =) The F4u1 also seems to be a bit more sluggish than the C and D models, but maybe thats just me...

Howitzer,

burn off wing tanks 1st, bringem down to 25% or less(if u can)
before u get into fights. this will increase ur roll rate alot.

whels

ra · « **Reply #8 on:** August 27, 2004, 07:38:15 AM »

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In AH2 the F4U-1C is identical to the F4U-1D but the research that i have done indicate's that the -1C should be a -1A with 20mm's (fuselage tank and wing tanks).

Referance Material America's hundred thousand

I brought this up years ago. I think the general concensus is that AHT is wrong.

AcId · « **Reply #9 on:** August 27, 2004, 08:46:39 AM »

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Originally posted by whels
Howitzer,

burn off wing tanks 1st, bringem down to 25% or less(if u can)
before u get into fights. this will increase ur roll rate alot.

whels

What whels said, but if you can, leave a little fuel in the right wing and this will lessen the abruptness of a stall in a turn and make it a lot more manageable. With an empty left wing and a little in the right you will out maneuver the C & D easily plus the -1 is a little faster.

I flew the -1 exclusively for many tours and it can be a very deadly machine in the right hands. Just don't get below a better turning foe

F4UDOA · « **Reply #10 on:** August 27, 2004, 10:51:56 AM »

The -1C is the -1D with 20mills.

The question I have are why does the F4U-1C have less hard points on it's wings 4 instead of 6.

Widewing · « **Reply #11 on:** August 27, 2004, 01:56:35 PM »

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Originally posted by F4UDOA
The -1C is the -1D with 20mills.

The question I have are why does the F4U-1C have less hard points on it's wings 4 instead of 6.

Dean does clearly state that the F4U-1C had greater internal fuel capacity (as did the F4U-1A) than the F4U-1D. Dean repeats this several times and provides basic charts as to this. I lean towards Dean because of his extensive collection of data and huge list of F4U references. I have other sources here that agree with Dean. It seems that the F4U-1C was simply a re-armed F4U-1A, which probably explains why the HTC version has less hard points.

Besides, the first F4U-1C was accepted 8 months before the first F4U-1D was accepted (August 1943, versus April 1944). This correlates to early F4U-1A production....

My regards,

Widewing

justin_g · « **Reply #12 on:** August 27, 2004, 02:40:10 PM »

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The question I have are why does the F4U-1C have less hard points on it's wings 4 instead of 6.

I think I might have it figured.

F4U-1D normal loaded weight: 12175lbs
F4U-1C normal loaded weight: 12470lbs

Difference is 295lbs of extra weight, placed on the wings.

5" HVAR weight: 140lbs

Take away the ability to carry 2 HVAR's and you take away a load of 280lbs from the wing, meaning that the maximum possible load on the wing stays about the same as the F4U-1D.

Navy doesn't have to do any testing to see if the wing could safely take the extra weight with a maximum loadout on the F4U-1C.

Rafe35 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 27, 2004, 02:44:27 PM »

F4U-1C was later got couple problems with their 20mm MG and they told the US Navy that their 4 x 20mm MG have been frozen when they reach above or higher at 10,000. US Navy orders them all pilots who flew F4U-1C, they have to stay at 5,000 until they get the heater for their 20mm MG.

Howitzer · « **Reply #14 on:** August 27, 2004, 03:10:32 PM »

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Originally posted by AcId
What whels said, but if you can, leave a little fuel in the right wing and this will lessen the abruptness of a stall in a turn and make it a lot more manageable. With an empty left wing and a little in the right you will out maneuver the C & D easily plus the -1 is a little faster.

I flew the -1 exclusively for many tours and it can be a very deadly machine in the right hands. Just don't get below a better turning foe

Cool! I'll have to try it out! Thanks for the input guys.