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« on: August 27, 2004, 11:43:39 AM »
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Washington, D.C. --- Arizona Senator John McCain has asked President Bush to seek a halt to the charter assassination of Democratic presidential challenger John F. Kerry's military record that earned him a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts during two-tours of duty in Vietnam but the President declined to specifically condemn the ads by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

McCain, a moderate Republican, has been outspoken against the ad attacks on Kerry's Vietnam War record calling them "dishonorable."

"I would like for him [Bush] to specifically condemn that ad," McCain told Washington Post editors and reporters Thursday but he did exact a pledge from President Bush to seek greater election law reform of such groups if re-elected November 2nd and through a federal law suit. But McCain noted that there would be no impact on the current presidential campaign.

The White House said Bush made the commitment to McCain in a telephone call from Air Force One, hoping to head off a public confrontation with the Arizona Republican and Vietnam veteran when he campaigns with the president next week, according to the Reuters news service.

McCain said he would continue to press the President to specifically denounce the negative television ads when the two get together next week at the Republican National Convention in New York City, according to a report in The Washington Post.

McCain got a better response from Senator Kerry when he requested that he discontinue televising a segment of a debate between Bush and McCain in 2000 when the Arizona Senator admonished Bush for attacking his support for veterans similar to what is now happening with Kerry.

McCain told The Washington Post that he was grateful that Kerry agreed to take off the air the spot that shows McCain telling Bush "You should be ashamed."

Washington Post reporters Thursday pressed McCain asking why he was unwilling to use his leverage with the Bush campaign to force a condemnation of the anti-Kerry ad, McCain said, "I'm just not sure that in the grand scheme of things should determine whether I support the president's reelection or not. If I threatened him with some kind of retaliation, that obviously would have some impact on his re-electability."

Why isn't McCain in the White House today? He crosses the political lines with his views and support. He's a moral, honorable, trustworthy politician. How many can you say THAT about? The country needs and deserves a leader like John McCain.
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2004, 11:48:43 AM »
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Why isn't McCain in the White House today? He crosses the political lines with his views and support. He's a moral, honorable, trustworthy politician. How many can you say THAT about? The country needs and deserves a leader like John McCain.


maybe the answer lies in your description of him

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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2004, 11:53:43 AM »
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Why isn't McCain in the White House today? He crosses the political lines with his views and support. He's a moral, honorable, trustworthy politician. How many can you say THAT about? The country needs and deserves a leader like John McCain.  


it's that part of your question that is in bold type that is holding him back.  at least thats what did Carter in.

truly decent people are hard to corrupt, this makes the other politicians nervous and they turn on them if if they try to go to far.

McCain or maybe Powell are the only Republican I seriously consider a vote for.

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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2004, 11:55:37 AM »
Snoop r americaz lead0r!

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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2004, 11:56:57 AM »
Is Snoop doing an impression of the "Shocker" in that pic?
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2004, 12:01:38 PM »
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truly decent people are hard to corrupt, this makes the other politicians nervous and they turn on them if if they try to go to far.

McCain or maybe Powell are the only Republican I seriously consider a vote for.
We owe it to ourselves as a free nation to break this stupid 2 party system. It was never the vision of the founding fathers and it's strangling us today. Perot was on the right track, just the wrong guy for the job.
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2004, 12:04:28 PM »
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Why isn't McCain in the White House today?

Because he is a self-absorbed grandstander who just wants to be popular.   Why does he not address his complaints to  the Swift Boat veterans themselves, rather than to Bush?   His attempts to portray himself as the only honorable politician are sickening.  And we'll be living with the fallout of McCain-Feingold for a long time.  This guy ranks up there with Powell as one of the great overrated political figures in the US.

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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2004, 12:19:05 PM »
McCain is a fence sitter, and an appeaser. He'd be ineffective as a leader cause he'd try to mollify everyone, and it just can't be done. I think he just says whatever he thinks most people want to hear. I trust Bush because he doesn't try to sugar-coat the truth. Yeah, I do think Bush speaks from the heart, regardless of what his detractors say about him.

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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2004, 12:23:05 PM »
He didnt make it thru the primaries...its not a big conspiracy...he couldnt muster votes.  I felt he was more moderate than i was comfortable with...doesnt mean I dont like him, just respectfully disagree.  Same goes with my Republican Senators (Snowe & Collins)...they havent taken a hard stand on anything, they compromise on everything.

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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2004, 12:37:38 PM »
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We owe it to ourselves as a free nation to break this stupid 2 party system. It was never the vision of the founding fathers and it's strangling us today. Perot was on the right track, just the wrong guy for the job.


while I agree with you I just don't see it happening.
  for one thing you have politics as an industry, and those with power (and those who they appoint) are the only ones with the power to change it.
  you have just about every commercially viable tv and radio station in the country owned by about 6 cooperations and all drawing their news from the same service. this doesn't leave much of a stage for anyone with new ideas.
  and our people in general, while claiming to want someone who has integrity, tells the truth and is above corruption, would mostly rather have someone who doesn't make them think to much and lies to them nicely.

IMO political parties shouldn't even be recognized by the gov't, let alone using gov't funds to pay for primary's and the like for them.  

let the candidates stand alone on their own merit, do away with the public hype advertising and just print out a voters pamphlet that gives each candidate a chance to say what their vision is, why they would be good for the job, and their stance on various issues,  select nominees by a simple petition with a minimum number of signatures.

obviously it would be unconstitutional to ban political parties, but there is no reason I see why our gov't should give them any voice or consideration above any other citizen.

that said, it's little more than a pipe dream.  it'll never happen in my lifetime.  there is no motivation for anyone in a position to change it to change it.
from the political selling legal clout for campaign funds, the wealth and corporations who buy the politicians to help secure laws that will make them richer, to the media who sells advertising to both and feeds off the scandal created to make a profit,  all make their living off of this dysfunctional system and have no interest in seeing it repaired.  all talk about how the system needs to change is just more hype, and presented to you so that you'll think they might even care what you think.   if it actually did change, they'd have to find a new way to survive.
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2004, 12:59:39 PM »
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We owe it to ourselves as a free nation to break this stupid 2 party system. It was never the vision of the founding fathers and it's strangling us today. Perot was on the right track, just the wrong guy for the job.


well said...
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2004, 01:44:55 PM »
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We owe it to ourselves as a free nation to break this stupid 2 party system. It was never the vision of the founding fathers and it's strangling us today. Perot was on the right track, just the wrong guy for the job.


On this RPM, we agree 100%!

My vote will not go to either candidate this year.  It will be a write-in.  I don't believe in voting for the other poor choice as a way to protest vote.  If you want to protest vote, then write-in or vote for a 3rd part platform that you can support.

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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2004, 01:48:17 PM »
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it's that part of your question that is in bold type that is holding him back.  at least thats what did Carter in.

truly decent people are hard to corrupt, this makes the other politicians nervous and they turn on them if if they try to go to far.

McCain or maybe Powell are the only Republican I seriously consider a vote for.


I wonder who McCain supports for pres in 04?

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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2004, 02:26:31 PM »
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I wonder who McCain supports for pres in 04?

I thought he was in support of keeping Bush in office.  No?

edit: Oh wait, was that sarcasm?

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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2004, 02:54:53 PM »
mc ca8in is too liberal and socialistic for most people... he is far from a republican...  I think he should be one of the few republifcans who switches to democrat.

I believe that the war damaged him... he is damaged goods.  

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