Are these guys VietNam Vets?

[Otto]

Originally posted by GScholz
Initially North Vietnam did not intervene directly in the South Vietnam civil war. However when they did the war was for all intents and purposes lost. The US could not push into NV because the Chinese would get involved directly, and no one can beat the Chinese in a land war on their border. The only course of action left was to pull out.

I have to disagree.  The Viet Cong were destroyed when they came out of hiding during the Tet Offensive of 1968.  After that the NV regulars were the only Communist still fighting and they were using both Cambodia and Laos as 'Safe Havens'.  

If the US had bombed Hanoi we could have won the war.  ( I know you don't believe this, but it comes from interviews with NV leaders after the 1972 Christmas Offensive)   Tens of thousands of deaths in NV could have save millions in Cambodia later.  It's an awful calculation but pretty close to the mark.

[demaw1]

Thank goodness otto i thought I was the only one who had read those interviews. Otto would you look at my post about tet. ,  under, swifties are not gop shills , and see if I got any of it right?

  To win the war in Vietnam did not mean to put American soldiers on the china border. I t meant to completely destory N.V. ability to fight which we could have done.

[MrLars]

Originally posted by AKIron
Veterans? Hardly. Stupid/foolish for throwing rocks at an armed National Guard? Definitely.

None killed were closer than 80 meters to the guards, would have been a long toss, maybe they had Don Sutton in their ranks?

[Airhead]

Four students were murdered at Kent State by National Guardsmen... the VERY SAME National Guard President Bush belonged to.

I blame him for this travesty.


(Stepping back from the post, admiring it not unlike a grafiti artist admires freshly paint sprayed obsenities written on a subway wall, sipping my coffee and noticing that it somehow tastes better)

[Yeager]

One of the four was not even protesting but walking to class.  Thats the real tragedy.  Not even involved in the protest.  The others?.......life is risky business.  Just breathing opens up all sorts of tragic possibilities.

[AKIron]

Interesting account:

http://dept.kent.edu/sociology/lewis/lewihen.htm

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by midnight Target


People who were not around or aware 1967 to 1972 don't recall the division this Country endured. Millions of good decent Americans were on both sides of the issue. Most gave their lives overseas and should be honored. Many also gave up their lives or livelyhoods here at home. All of them good Americans, fighting for something they believed in.

None should be villified ... on either side.

This incident happened in front of the architecture building at Kent State (Taylor Hall) where my wife studied for 5 years.  Her brother was in school that day (at Kent State).  We now live about four miles away.  

Not meant as a comment on anything, just trivia.

eskimo