An argument

[TT]

  I would like to offer an argument on 2 things that have apperaed in different threads.
  I agree that there can be no coustom game. There are people that do and dont want choo choo,s, an HA, easyer FM, harder FM. and so on.

 But there is one thing that IMO, we all have in common. We are all here for the kills. This is not a flight sim. It is a COMBAT sim,

 HT has stated, in another thread, That it is "not worth the complexity of codeing" to give us our kills. The last man standing rule is easyer. I respectfully suggest that there is very little more important to the average player then getting kills. A good example of this is the number of players in brand W that fly 2D. They are more interested in the edge that few FPS will give them , then they are in eyecandy.

 When 2.6 came out in WB, it was weeks before Imagic would admit there was a problem with rubber bullits. They have been fooling with the gunnery every since. From a thread I read on AGW a couple of days ago, They still havent got it right. I know WB is old news. But if there is a lesson in this. It is that gunnery/damage model is the hart of a COMBAT sim.

 I cant imagin anything more inportant to a new sim, than the 2 things that I have mentioned. (Unless your a buff fan ). And for the folks that say they are just here for the community. Let me ask how long would you stay if you NEVER got a kill.

  To me this is just a hobby. To the people of HTC this is a business venture. Being the ones rolling the dice, of course, they have to decide what is going to be there best shot. As an average player I strongly recommend that some focus be put on these two areas.

 Lastly let me say that I wont be posting on these subjects again. I like to squeak, but past this post, ive gone to nagging

[dolomite]

Now, don't take the "Manock Approach" and refuse to look at the replies...  

You make valid points (IMHO) regarding 2D/3D in BrandW (I am an example). You are right in that people want to kill stuff - that's part of the reason we are here. But I don't care if my name rolls on the buffer or not.

I used to run competitively; everything from 5K to marathon. I wasn't world class, but I won my share of races. I always found that the thrill of getting the trophy was the second I stepped before the crowd. After that, the trophy meant nothing. One day a friend asked for any old trophies I might be willing to part with (he needed awards for a kid's race). I boxed them all up and gave them away. You see, I learned that I didn't need anything to prove to anyone else what I've accomplished. I know, and that's what's important to me. It's something that's carried over to everything I do.

People "steal" my kills all the time. I don't care. If I do say anything, it would be more about the wisdom of losing alt and ammo on a dead enemy, when we need everyone climbing for the next assault.

That isn't to say that score isn't an important part of the game, and there is nothing wrong with flying for score; everyone is here for their combination of reasons (I don't believe people are one-dimensional). But to lump everyone into the category of believing that score is one of two major reasons to fly? well....  

[Curly]

 Is this for the five minute argument or were you looking for "getting hit over the head lesson"?

 Curly

[indian]

Dolomite I agree I personally play for fun the only part of my score I ever look at is the kill to deaths, points mean nothing to me player rank in the sim means nothing to me. I play because I enjoy the game I enjoy the compitition and the community here is pretty darn good also. Score is for egos thats all.


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[weazel]

 I`ll throw out the old EZ Targets motto for this thread-"Keep your score and streaks in your pants where they belong".  

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[jscharpf]

Dolomite, that was a really cool story about your trophies!   That was a wonderful gesture and I have alot of respect for you.
I for one, could care less about kills. I'm not sure why, maybe because my dad was involved, but I always had a deep interest in world war 2. I read alot of books and try to get a feel of what it was like for the front line soldier, in a way, it's a tribute to all those who were a part of this tremendous conflict. I like to remember them. I play this sim for the nostalgia. To try and get somewhat of a feel of what it may have been like to rumble down the runway in a tiny clankety 109 or be at 25K in a B17. Of course no game will ever totally recreate this, but to me it's like reading an interactive book. If kills were my only concern, it would be crazy for a lousy pilot like me to take an early model plane against some of the later model ones.
In the same respect, I must admit that when I do see a kill message with my name on it, it's somewhat gratifying, but I don't enjoy the experience of a good dogfight any less if I go down smoking. Most pilots that have killed me usually say "good job" or something like that. I like that commradeship. I have no problem what so ever with people who do fly for kills, nor do I have a problem with chute killers. It is after all a game, and if you enjoy it, go for it! After playing AW for a few years, I began to know who the really good players were, and they're names weren't usually on the top kill lists. I remember people getting really angry at players that cheated. That never bothered me because I felt if they had to do that, well, they were really missing alot in the game, and they weren't impressing anyone but themselves.
Anyway, this game has moved leaps and bounds over AW. Just the feel, the sound, everything, for someone like me, who is very limited in flying time, I enjoy just getting up in the air with different aircraft to see what I can do. The scenery is awseome, so I'm not bored flying to alt with a buff.
Sorry I made this longer than necessary, but that was my two cents.

rbn

[Sunchaser]

TT, I respectfully disagree with your statement that most of us are here for the kills.

I am primarily interested in flying heavy bombers online with strategic goals, ie; not launching B17 raids to 27 thousand feet to bomb airfields.

I was under the impression that Warbirds and now Aces High  were to be considered the epitome of online COMBAT and FLIGHT simming, not one or the other.

I admit that I am not a pay to player and, based on Warbirds offline practice offering, would never be.

Aces High has caused me to rethink pay to play but under no circumstances would I pay a surcharge for HA or Special events.

For $29.95 + tax I would expect to enter a general arena, much like the beta arena, and engage in a realistic operation based on the plane I select.

As of now this is not possible given the nature of the arena and the fact we are flying a beta but when we pay it should be

There are plenty of free shootdown 25 guys in an hour arenas for those so inclined and there should be.

In closing, thanks Hitechcreations for the pleasant experience and if 30 bucks a month buys COMBAT and FLIGHT simming online without add on charges for any type of reality(based on computer limitations)you have a die hard never pay to player rethinking that position.

I would eagerly pay $10 for it as it stands and let my escorts and gunners deal with the "kill junkies"

[TT]

 Since you hippys dont care about score. Ill expect you to hold still for me, so I can get the rubber bullits to work.

 Peace, love, dove .

[HaHa]

I'm not here for kills, but shooting down planes only to have them instaspawn on you 1 sec. later sucks imho. I'd much prefer plane attrition  

[Sorrow[S=A]]

Sunchaser:
I believe the surcharge was mentioned to be payed directly to the people organizing the events and not just HT grabbing money. Thus the, say $2 or $5 you pay extra to join an HA scenario would go towards paying the people organising it. Hence you will end up with MUCH better organisation and many many more scenario's than you would depending on people to just do it for free. Plus if people have to cough up a nominal amount of money the odds improve drastically that you can depend on them attending.

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[hitech]

We are not looking to charge extra for minor 1 night special event type things. For instance a war night or miny senarios.

We invision the extra charge for full multi frame senerios which require pre registration and lots of time in organizing.

HiTech

[Sunchaser]

Thanks for the clarifications Sorrow[S=A] and Hitech.

Hey TT, I do not even have to hold still, why do ya think I fly Bombers?

If I want to save a field that is being vulched all I gotta do is jump in a fighter and try to take off, the vulchers so busy laughing at the way I fly they all crash and burn around me.

Rgr on the Peace.

[TT]

 BTW. I may have figured out the rubber bullit thing for myself at least. When I switched from bish to nit. All kinds of weired things happened (see my post in the bug section a few days ago). Anyway I got to thinking about this, and the rubber bullit thing has been going on the few days that I flew as a nit. So I went back to bish tonight. It was like someone flip the on switch on my guns. One quick burst and the cons wing comes off. It might have something to do with bish being the default country. Or something may have went wrong when i switched countrys. All I know is my guns are back to normal.

[dolomite]

Oh! You didn't know about the handicap? Knights are so good we had to give everyone else a chance somehow....  

[Phantom121]

You may be on to something.  However, I thought Rook was default country.  I started flying Rooks and it seemed I won most HO's and most ties (both shot down).  Since changed to Knights now lose almost all HO's and all ties.  Seems many times that hits are not recorded.