Author Topic: Osama Bin Laden Innocent?? (Read 2697 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #30 on:** August 29, 2004, 05:28:29 PM »

Cellphones work fine on planes before 9/11/2001... Everyting else you said in your response is just a retarded attempt to bellitle me and the the info I have about the Beamer family from a close mutual friend because this info is inconvenient to your luntic conspiracy theory nonsense.. Lemme guess your take on it is the CIA carefully researched every family on flight 93 and happend to find that this Todd Beamer guy's family motto is "let's roll." Evil CIA guys then though heck this is a great way to get the trillion dollar war machine going so lets attribute this statement to Beamer and have our slogan. Of course this level of preperation would imply that the CIA knew of 911 before hand.. But I'm sure you will fill us in witrh that story in your next post..

And now you dont belive a plane hit the Pentagon.. I wonder if there was no video of planes hittting thje wtc would you think that it was something else - despite millions of eye witnesses.. Whats your evidence of your pentagon idea? Some idiotic shot of a 757 superimposed over the pentagon? We've been through all that farcical nonse allready..

You know what, you can go fck urself because you are obviously mentally unstable and stupid. Why should I waste my time with you.. I was always amazed at the idea that people could deny the holocaust despite all the evidence, you 911 conspiracy niuts are exactly the same type of people. Crazy hateful people with some bizzare conspiracy agenda..

midnight Target · « **Reply #31 on:** August 29, 2004, 05:29:53 PM »

You tell im Grun... freakin libruls!

Otto · « **Reply #32 on:** August 29, 2004, 05:32:34 PM »

I havent seen F-911 yet, But I have heard some VERY controversial topics from the movie, things like on 9/12 the Bin Laden family jet was able to fly all over America picking up various family members, and safely removing them from American soil. Apparently this happened while the rest of America, private pilots and commercial, was GROUNDED. I havent documented this, nor have I heard anyone deny it. But It wouldn't surprise me at all.

All wrong. This was covered in the 9/11 hearings. No one in the Bin Laden family left the country without FBI knowledge. In addition the Bin Laden family had been denouncing OBL for years. They were not a part of the attack and no one (even Liberals) have been able to make that point. Well, yes there was MM but that's just 'Silly Putty'

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #33 on:** August 29, 2004, 05:37:35 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
You tell im Grun... freakin libruls!

Hmm, wouldnt really say this a left right issue, certainly not in the mainstream sense. Unless you consider moore a mainstream figure...

anton · « **Reply #34 on:** August 29, 2004, 05:50:22 PM »

I admit I have not properly educated myself on Political affairs, Has OBL been removed from the family pay-roll and heirs?

And I really must say it doesn't sit well with me that the rest of America was grounded while the Bin Laden family was allowed flight. Perhaps I'd feel better if I knew some American VIPs were also allowed flight privvies, did the Trump Chopper fly on 9/12?

Anton

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #35 on:** August 29, 2004, 06:00:29 PM »

No bin ladens were allowed to fly until the skies were opened up to commerical flights some days after 911.

anton · « **Reply #36 on:** August 29, 2004, 06:03:50 PM »

well, at least it wasn't special treatment.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #37 on:** August 29, 2004, 06:21:03 PM »

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Originally posted by anton
I admit I have not properly educated myself on Political affairs, Has OBL been removed from the family pay-roll and heirs?

Pubicly at least, OBL (UBL?) has been ostracized from the family.

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And I really must say it doesn't sit well with me that the rest of America was grounded while the Bin Laden family was allowed flight. Perhaps I'd feel better if I knew some American VIPs were also allowed flight privvies, did the Trump Chopper fly on 9/12?

Anton

Only the Military flew on Sept 12.

Sept. 13 — Limited commercial flights resume, some Bin Laden Family members fly to departure point.

Sept. 20 - Richard Clarke approves 26 passengers who were relatives of Osama bin Laden board one flight and depart the United States on Sept. 20, 2001.

Coolridr · « **Reply #38 on:** August 29, 2004, 07:14:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Pubicly at least, OBL (UBL?) has been ostracized from the family.

Only the Military flew on Sept 12.

Sept. 13 — Limited commercial flights resume, some Bin Laden Family members fly to departure point.

Sept. 20 - Richard Clarke approves 26 passengers who were relatives of Osama bin Laden board one flight and depart the United States on Sept. 20, 2001.

I can confirm only military flights flew for the first few days after 9/11. I was on the USS LABOON(DDG-58) an aegis equiped destroyer on Operation Noble Eagle (we left port 2 hours after the attacks). The 2nd Fleet ships had the entire east coast covered with radar and in the Link-11/16/GCCS-M NATIONWIDE with Air Farts/and the Pacific Fleet..from my console I could see EVERY aircraft in flight in or around the United States. I assure you all, there were no commercial or privately owned aircraft that left during that time (we kept very presice logs on what was flying) . And as far as I know nothing left or entered our airspace other than US military cargo/transports. What MM did was to take the interviews that said "we were allowed to leave" and twisted it to look like they left immediately when really they left when the airspace opened up again.

What I meant to say before was we should watch our government, but alot of the scrutiny is getting out of hand. How can these people say they are screwing up America and our lives? If all they do is spend all their time looking for fault then they never live a normal American life so what the Fck do they know? I don't know how people live day to day just being angry and trying to find fault. Personally I vote for someone and then live with my decision, especially if the guy I voted for gets elected. Then I re-evalute the guy at the next election and If I feel I wasn't screwed I vote for him again. that way I don't sit there doing meaningless *****ing about who's in office my whole life.

Nash · « **Reply #39 on:** August 29, 2004, 07:54:56 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You know what, you can go fck urself because you are obviously mentally unstable and stupid.

Oh My!

AKIron · « **Reply #40 on:** August 29, 2004, 11:40:13 PM »

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Well ... don't we have stopped trialling dead people since the middle-age ?

We would have put Hitler on trial for war crimes but not before the war ended and he was captured. Not inconsistent to handle OBL the same way.

To hint that OBL hasn't been tried because Bush fears what then may be revealed about Saudi ties is very Mooresque and of course ridiculous.

Sixpence · « **Reply #41 on:** August 29, 2004, 11:49:33 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
To hint that OBL hasn't been tried because Bush fears what then may be revealed about Saudi ties is very Mooresque and of course ridiculous.

We know all too well about saudi money, there is nothing "mooresque" about that, it's the channels the money took getting there that would interest me. Not that there would be anything we could do about it but shake our head, but it would be interesting to see how many foreign banks were involved.

Thrawn · « **Reply #42 on:** August 30, 2004, 12:27:37 AM »

I didn't think that OBL actually took credit in any of his videos or tapes. Can someone post a link to a transcript where he does?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #43 on:** August 30, 2004, 01:43:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
I didn't think that OBL actually took credit in any of his videos or tapes. Can someone post a link to a transcript where he does?

Yes there is a tape of him discussing how it was planned and the way he thought the buildings would topple with his buddies in afghanistan...

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/13/ret.bin.laden.videotape/

Thrawn · « **Reply #44 on:** August 30, 2004, 01:50:02 AM »

"I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only," he said, according to a U.S. government translation. "This is all that we had hoped for."

Coolios, if he were to go to trial it would be pretty open and shut in my opinion based on the above statement alone.