Author Topic: Osama Bin Laden Innocent?? (Read 2534 times)

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #60 on:** August 30, 2004, 02:57:46 PM »

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also not trying to be smartass here. top commander in afghanistan wouldnt speak for a tf that was working targets in afghanistan and other places. in fact hed get in trouble speaking for such a group not his place thats a centcom deal. top guy in afghanistan is going to play it safe and say "our top priority is stabilizing afghanistan". admitting he cares about obl could be used by badguys for recruiting and propoganda. "see obl is still feared by american puppets in afghanistan were still in the mix!".

Ok.. think I can agree with all that.. but,

Would you say that finding OBL has been America's top priority in the war on terrorism?

anonymous · « **Reply #61 on:** August 30, 2004, 03:03:40 PM »

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Ok.. think I can agree with all that.. but,

Would you say that finding OBL has been America's top priority in the war on terrorism?

no id say top priority has been disrupting terror cell and terror organization so they cant do anything but hide or act locally in self defense. obl is a figurehead but in terms of "dangerous individual who will facilitate more serious attacks on us and allies" theres more dangerous guys out there even though no small number have been caught or killed. hes hiding and thats his best tactic. hide and make a tape every once in awhile to show the colors. even if he had a safe haven to walk around in in daylight he wouldnt risk directing operations on daily basis he was trained by us to work with very compartmentalized cells so not easily penetrated and sigint could only do so much harm.

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #62 on:** August 30, 2004, 03:28:46 PM »

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no id say top priority has been disrupting terror cell and terror organization so they cant do anything but hide or act locally in self defense. obl is a figurehead but in terms of "dangerous individual who will facilitate more serious attacks on us and allies" theres more dangerous guys out there even though no small number have been caught or killed. hes hiding and thats his best tactic. hide and make a tape every once in awhile to show the colors. even if he had a safe haven to walk around in in daylight he wouldnt risk directing operations on daily basis he was trained by us to work with very compartmentalized cells so not easily penetrated and sigint could only do so much harm.

So, we finger him on 9/12 (or whatever) and set out to get him for a few months. Now what we have are a few people arrested or killed here and there that our government tells us that they are AQ members plotting to attack us? The only one that we, the people, know to be guilty is still on the run? I am to trust the same government,the one that sold me Iraqi, all these detainees are guilty for whatever reason? That all these names/people actually exist and are being brought down? But the head guy, the one with the money, power, and connections, is still on the run? The one MOST responsible is still on the run? We are unable to find/catch him? Its very very deep using this argument.. I must call BS..

Its either BS or OBL is outsmarting our entire country and apparently the world..

Sandman · « **Reply #63 on:** August 30, 2004, 04:08:40 PM »

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Bill of rights apply to US citizens, though given enough time the USSC will completely screw that up too.

Ahem... IIRC, the Bill of Rights isn't limited to U.S. citizens.

For example, the 13th amendment has also been used to protect illegal immigrants, IIRC.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #64 on:** August 30, 2004, 04:57:12 PM »

http://physics911.org/net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3

well..see if that link owrks. if not, search physics 911 and you will see a different side of the story. If OBL tried to convince me that a 757 could fit through that tiny hole without leaving wing scars and tail fin scars I would laugh in his face. Now , I am not saying that anyone other than a gifted forger with a camera is trying to sabatoge our goverment, but, I sure would feel a heck of a lot better with a good ole US Patroit style trail.
I cant believe that the same plane that is capable of knocking over a a WTC tower, didnt knock out the windows on the second floor.
Because, if 757 didnt go throgut that hole, then the 757 that was reported stolen is somewhere else, along with the bodies of the passengers and crew. You see, it is very important that a trail take place here and the perpretrators of this attempted hoax be brought to trail. (I am speaking either the fabricators of the evidence at this 911 website or the real masterminds of 911). The dead, the real victims, will surely want someone to pay for this.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #65 on:** August 30, 2004, 05:06:16 PM »

All meaningless. The hole in the pentagons steel reinforced concrete walls is exactly the size of the plane out to its engibes. The densest parts fuselage and engines made the hole. This is perfectly reasonable.

Back in the 1960s they did tests to see how well a nuclear sreel reinforced concrete reactor dome wall would stand up to an accidental jet plane crash. At the start of these teststhey would send a whole plane down a supersonic rocket rail at the wall. They quickly fopund out that the wings did no damage, they simply disintegrated. Even the fuselage mostly crumpled - by the end of the trst series they jusr shot bare jet engines down the the rail as they did the damage.

Dont trust these kook 911 sites. I remember that one of them spent pagese and pages discussing in great scientific sounding detail how a jet fuel fire could never even approach the melting point of steel (where it becomes a free floating liquid like you see in steel furnaces) and so that the wtc collapse must be atributed to bombs as well as the planes.

Pretty convincing huh?

Except nopne of these great scientific minds mentined that you dont need to melt steel into a liquid to greatly weaken the steel as it softens up with heat and becomes more elastic anyway before melting into liquid. Combined with the exensive structural damage from the massive high energy plane impacts the structure could not survive the load of tens of strories above the impact zone with the softened steel.

Basically only idiots belive these sites.

Coolridr · « **Reply #66 on:** August 30, 2004, 05:18:56 PM »

That article looks like conspiracy theorist BS....They use alot of fancy math that they know the average person won't try to figure out.....What that article says is that we not only had prior knowledge of the attacks but knew EXACTLY when they would happen...No matter what alot of you nutjobs say I refuse to believe or government would have let such a serious attack happen like that if they could have stopped it, much less taken part in it. Why would we do it? Bush's approval ratings were fine then, we didn't use that as a justification for Iraq, so we would have gone in anyway. What would be the reason behind allowing the attacks to happen and Blowing up a building on our own? The WTC would have been enough to get the US aggitated, there would be no need for a gratuitous attack on ourselves.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #67 on:** August 30, 2004, 05:20:13 PM »

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That article looks like conspiracy theorist BS....They use alot of fancy math that they know the average person won't try to figure out.....What that article says is that we not only had prior knowledge of the attacks but knew EXACTLY when they would happen...No matter what alot of you nutjobs say I refuse to believe or government would have let such a serious attack happen like that if they could have stopped it, much less taken part in it. Why would we do it? Bush's approval ratings were fine then, we didn't use that as a justification for Iraq, so we would have gone in anyway. What would be the reason behind allowing the attacks to happen and Blowing up a building on our own? The WTC would have been enough to get the US aggitated, there would be no need for a gratuitous attack on ourselves.

Get that logic out of this conspiracy nutjob thread!!!!!!

Thrawn · « **Reply #68 on:** August 30, 2004, 05:20:16 PM »

Grun is just saying that because he is part of the conspiracy...so is anyone else that tries to refute the theories with thier so-called "facts", and scientific "evidence".

Lizking · « **Reply #69 on:** August 30, 2004, 05:21:04 PM »

Whitehawk, I hope you are a kid, because an adult has no excuse to be so ignorant.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #70 on:** August 30, 2004, 05:23:21 PM »

I have some friends who are ignorant adults, and they all seem to have excuses....

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #71 on:** August 30, 2004, 05:26:32 PM »

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Grun is just saying that because he is part of the conspiracy...so is anyone else that tries to refute the theories with thier so-called "facts", and scientific "evidence".

Eh what?

This must be the most unintelligable post you ever wrote on this BBS.

Anyway lets cut the BS and get to the point.

Do you belive that a 757 did not hit the pentagon as stated in thise conspiracy theories?

If not, then all is well, and I will just be stumped and left to wonder about your silly post.

If you do support the theories, please say so, so that I can get on with properly ridiculing your insanity.

Coolridr · « **Reply #72 on:** August 30, 2004, 05:41:32 PM »

I have been browsing that Physics911 sight....Those nutjobs should be locked up...thats all I have to say...and before you guys start getting all pissy....sometimes you just have to say fck free speech...sometimes people go too far.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #73 on:** August 30, 2004, 05:44:34 PM »

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Whitehawk, I hope you are a kid, because an adult has no excuse to be so ignorant.

hehe nope. fully grown. Thanks for your educated input, I can rest easier now.

Grunherz. You are making my point for a trail, which is my only point here. lets get these 911 conspiracy kooks and hang em high. hell, I think a cupple lines in the patriot act will allow us to do that without a trail:D .
Imigine our shock and trauma during 911. I remember it well. it took me months to put the pieces of my mind back together. Those feelings pale in comparison to what i was feeling when I actually believed that someone would have the gall to perp this 911 thing, just so they could put some pieces of their own into my mind when I was defenseless. I am actually relieved that others can look at this and laugh. Back to life as usual. I am sorry if I caused anybidy any grief here. I really do think the forgers of these websites shoud be thoughroly investigated because this crap scared the bejeezus out of me.
It would be a relief to see our goverment do a 'by the book trial'.

Lizking · « **Reply #74 on:** August 30, 2004, 05:51:13 PM »

You don't try the mentally ill, you commit them and try and cure them.

Going by your concept, we would should also try the Creationists, the "never been to the moon" kooks and assorted other ignorant ultra melons.

I would suggest that you indicate that you do not yourself believe in such "theorys" when you post them, or accept that you will be thought to be a child or ignorant, or both.