think france will cave?

[OIO]

"they didn't have WMD"

they did. Ask the kurds.


Ou said:

"The thing that's beautifull about France, versus USA, is that private schools, if they are recognized by the state, have to cost the same as public school and students have the same privilege as others.."

Grunz said:

"So the Freanch government pays for all private schol tuitions?

Or are you saying that all french schools including the public ones are just for the rich who can afford to pay for the fees.. "

Can you please answer his question? Im really curious (that and amazed Grunz actually has a constructive posting streak ).


More Q's from me on this:

1) Do all public schoools have the same curriculum and resources? As in, a school in a really poor part of the country have the same access to gov. money and teachers and installations as one in a very rich area of the country?

2) What is the cost of a 'public' school? If you say that private ones have to cost the same as public ones then they should be pretty darn cheap so that even the poorest person can have a basic education no?

Please answer Grun's and my questions... I ask because in my country (Colombia) there are laws that put a limit on how expensive a private school can be compared to the state funded private schools.. and ALL the private schools circumvent laws of the sort by asking for a 'donation' each school year right before student applications are considered and accepted for the coming school year.

Hope thats not the case in France, but really, you cant have public=private without some sort of huge catch on private schools. Private schools are bussinesses.

edit: d'oh back on topic: No France will not cave in to demands. Too much loss of face if they did. However, theres nothing that says they wont pay off the kidnappers in some other way to get their citizens.

[GRUNHERZ]

I know the background, and yes la marseillaise is a great song, I like it a lot.  

Still the words are clearly xenophobic.

And french culture has a lot of that.  

Take for example the french governments efforts to keep the french language pure from foreign expressions. Just a few years ago there was a big crackdown on the "english" sounding word "email" from what I hear.

Or how about France reducing her participation in the NATO multinatyinal allience.

Or frances long refusal to stop testing nuclear weapons above ground..

There is a strong xenophobic and insular trait in this nation..

BTW none of this is neccesarily ment as a negative judgement agianst your country, its just an observation.

[Ouaibe]

Yep, I'm sure all those giant french oil companies getting fat on oil sanctions era schemes were working night and and day to remove saddam!

Grunhertz, isn't Bush family and Rumsfeld in oil industry also?
Sure some french industry doesn't have clean hands, how's the USA one? Surely not cleaner.

Can you see the world otherwise than black & white?

[RTStuka]

Ya know I tried to be nice about this Ouaibe, I even showed that I understand some of the negatives. But all you can do is sit there and make the U.S. look evil. Dont forget buddy youd be saluting the Swastika if we had not stepped in. In fact from what I  understand, with the outbreak of Neo-Nazi gangs in your country you may be flying that flag soon enough. If it was up too me I would tell the rest of the world to kiss our a## and I would bring all of our troops home and let everyone deal with their own problems, but that is not the belief we built our country on. How much aide did we recieve after the 9/11 attacks from other countries. You think this war was useless well Libya who was one of the leading countries in production of Nuclear weapons is now pushing for a world free of them.  I dont want to hear another word out of you about how horrible my country is because you cant open your eyes to the bigger picture.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Ouaibe
We were right about WMD,

Please show me a pre-war quote where Chiraq said something like, "The French government knows that Iraq has completely divested itself of WMD's."

If you knew that why did you support further inspections?

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Ouaibe
Grunhertz, isn't Bush family and Rumsfeld in oil industry also?
Sure some french industry doesn't have clean hands, how's the USA one? Surely not cleaner.

Can you see the world otherwise than black & white?

What do french oil companies violationg the iraq sanctions have to do with us companies?

You really arent saying that its ok for france to violate internatioinal laws because the us president worked at an oil company...

[RTStuka]

oh and another thing you IGNORANT jacka#$ how about the first bombing of the trade towers how about the attack on the oklahoma federal building, 9/11 was not our first terrorist attacks, so think before you talk.

[GRUNHERZ]

Calm down stuka. Quabie has been quite nice inn his disagreements, no need for such anger.

[Ouaibe]

I know the background, and yes la marseillaise is a great song, I like it a lot.

How can someone doesn't like it?

Still the words are clearly xenophobic.

Replacing them in context, i see them as patriotic.

Take for example the french governments efforts to keep the french language pure from foreign expressions. Just a few years ago there was a big crackdown on the "english" sounding word "email" from what I hear.

That was dumb. French government can be sometimes really stupid. A lot of french, myself also, wasn't for that law. Not a person i know use the 'official' word mèl but email as everyone else in the world.

Or how about France reducing her participation in the NATO multinatyinal allience.

France has a long history of military independance (sometimes for the best, sometimes for the worst). We joined NATO quite recently and i don't see our government invest in it anytime soon.

Or frances long refusal to stop testing nuclear weapons above grpund..

I found that move from my country completly scandalous. has nothing to say about more than i am totally oposed to that.

So clearly france is an insular nation. There is a strong xenophobic and insular trait in this nation..

It's your view. A lot of country think otherwise.

[OIO]

btw, Spain also has a similar procedure to 'keep' the language 'clean'.

Just ask someone from south america (spanish speaking) what name they use for a computer, then ask someone from spain.

try not to laugh in their faces

[Ouaibe]

I dont want to hear another word out of you about how horrible my country is because you cant open your eyes to the bigger picture.

Where did i say that i found your country evil?
In fact, i found it quite great. I've gone to USA  only one time, i was greatly welcome and had a great time. I found also that USA have done great things to the world in the past century.
Is my though against the way your country did the war in IRAQ let you think that i am an anti-USA? Then maybe we shouldn't talk each other anymore, it's stupid but maybe true.

how about the first bombing of the trade towers how about the attack on the oklahoma federal building

Amen to that, i tragically forget to mention them. My apology for that. But it doesn't excuse the way you talk to me nor changes my point of view.

[Ouaibe]

I'm quite happy we have kept this discution quite cool and rational Grun.  Thank you Grund and Gunslinger for that.

OIO, Holden, i will do my best to answer you tomorrow, it's 3AM here and i have to go to work tomorrow.

Good night everyone!

[ra]

I found it funny that USA, who has suffer terrorism for the first time in 2001

You should read other newspapers.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Ouaibe

Replacing them in context, i see them as patriotic.

Would you be so generous with American attitudes in these times so close to 911?

[hawker238]

Originally posted by RTStuka
Dont forget buddy youd be saluting the Swastika if we had not stepped in. In fact from what I  understand, with the outbreak of Neo-Nazi gangs in your country you may be flying that flag soon enough.

Don't be such an ignoramus.  You'd be speaking.... British if it weren't for the French.