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Offline lasersailor184

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« Reply #45 on: August 29, 2004, 08:51:47 PM »
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Ya know I tried to be nice about this Ouaibe, I even showed that I understand some of the negatives. But all you can do is sit there and make the U.S. look evil. Dont forget buddy youd be saluting the Swastika if we had not stepped in. In fact from what I understand, with the outbreak of Neo-Nazi gangs in your country you may be flying that flag soon enough.


I would just like to point out that france *WAS* saluting the swastika.  Only a few were trying to fight it.


However, here is where I go back on topic.  Something about the school system doesn't make sense.  I don't know if it's how you layed it out or how it actually is.

1.) You said that private schools have to cost as much as a public school does.  This means that a private school is just as open as a public school and it is infact a public school.

2.) Then, if it still is "Special", how is admittance handed out?  Just to anyone that asks?  Or is it to those who can "Support" the school the most.  Is it done by family names.

What I'm basically leading up to is that even with the private schools being as accessible as public schools the enrollments are handed at to the affluent and rich families.

So basically your freedom to do what you want is still only offered to the richest 50% of the population, while the poor still aren't allowed to do what they want.


Now this is why I like america.  Everyone is allowed to practice what they want.  However, they don't go running around with a shotgun saying, "You will do this or I will blow your freaking head off."  No one pressures anyone else but information or advice is easily given to those who ask.
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« Reply #46 on: August 29, 2004, 11:38:59 PM »
religion is like sexual preferences, it should not be thrown to people faces, especially childrens.

I do not walk butt naked with my leather jacket trailling my chained slaved in your garden, don't throw in my face Alha bless America.
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« Reply #47 on: August 29, 2004, 11:55:07 PM »
Yeah, I think France will cave, hope I'm wrong. Not because I think France is right in repressing religious expression but because I'd like to see them grow some nads.
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« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2004, 12:01:23 AM »
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Ya know I tried to be nice about this Ouaibe, I even showed that I understand some of the negatives. But all you can do is sit there and make the U.S. look evil. Dont forget buddy youd be saluting the Swastika if we had not stepped in. In fact from what I  understand, with the outbreak of Neo-Nazi gangs in your country you may be flying that flag soon enough. If it was up too me I would tell the rest of the world to kiss our a## and I would bring all of our troops home and let everyone deal with their own problems, but that is not the belief we built our country on. How much aide did we recieve after the 9/11 attacks from other countries. You think this war was useless well Libya who was one of the leading countries in production of Nuclear weapons is now pushing for a world free of them.  I dont want to hear another word out of you about how horrible my country is because you cant open your eyes to the bigger picture.



So it's OK to take the piss out of France all day long, insult it's systems of law and education, make fun of it's armed forces, and generally harrass the Frenchies, but as soon as a Frenchman says "Hey, my country isn't perfect, and I know that, how about yours?" you  get all upset about him belittling the US of A?
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« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2004, 12:15:02 AM »
Fantasic Grun, you managed to instigate yet another flamewar.

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« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2004, 01:10:24 AM »
Grun has a crush on France ;)

They have voted the same "anty-scarf" law here, I find it pretty silly personaly, but apparently most pple agree with it. North african immigration is very high in northern Europe, and of course... it's not always easy to deal with the culture clash. But I'm sure you guys have a perfect plan, right?
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« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2004, 01:31:35 AM »
France won't cave. Wait and see.

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« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2004, 01:41:24 AM »
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Grun has a crush on France ;)

They have voted the same "anty-scarf" law here, I find it pretty silly personaly, but apparently most pple agree with it. North african immigration is very high in northern Europe, and of course... it's not always easy to deal with the culture clash. But I'm sure you guys have a perfect plan, right?


Yep supress the poor ethnic minority's right to follow their faith and get an education at the same time.

That plan will work great, always has!

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« Reply #53 on: August 30, 2004, 02:30:29 AM »
Damn Grun.. you post better when drunk that i can ever hope to do. :)

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« Reply #54 on: August 30, 2004, 03:14:42 AM »
France shouldnt give in to these terrorists demands. I hope nobody really thinks this Iraq kidnapping was really about the school law, as stupid as the law is..

But I do wonder what will happend when the terrorism does start over these laws. Demanding that people give up their freedom of expression and faith just so that their children have acess to public schooling where they can learn to read and write is prolly not a good idea.  

I also have concerns about how effective this will be as an integrating mechanism for immigrants. Imagine the outcome of basically forcing droves of possibly upset or slighthed north african muslim kids into private religious muslim schools.  It should be great fun for the french people...
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« Reply #55 on: August 30, 2004, 03:24:04 AM »
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So the Freanch government pays for all private schol tuitions?
 


yes.
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More Q's from me on this:

1) Do all public schoools have the same curriculum and resources? As in, a school in a really poor part of the country have the same access to gov. money and teachers and installations as one in a very rich area of the country?

2) What is the cost of a 'public' school? If you say that private ones have to cost the same as public ones then they should be pretty darn cheap so that even the poorest person can have a basic education no?



1) same

2) depend , it's very complex and difficult to explain in a BBS post.

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Take for example the french governments efforts to keep the french language pure from foreign expressions. Just a few years ago there was a big crackdown on the "english" sounding word "email" from what I hear.

I won't call the reaction of a thousand Parisian intellectuals a "big crackdown"

Except for joking :D

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What do french oil companies violationg the iraq sanctions have to do with us companies?

You really arent saying that its ok for france to violate internatioinal laws because the us president worked at an oil company...


What company ?
What violation ?

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How can someone doesn't like it? ;)

I don't really like the Marseillaise, a bit "over patriotic" for me.
but hell we don't have proper subsitute ...

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« Reply #56 on: August 30, 2004, 03:26:13 AM »
"I don't really like the Marseillaise, a bit "over patriotic" for me."

You hate your own anthem for being patriotic???

What other one would you have?  

"France is my country and it's just ok!"

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« Reply #57 on: August 30, 2004, 03:39:29 AM »
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Lets look at the french anthenm to see how unxenophobic france is..

Fatherland... Check..

Evil foreign cohorts.. Check...

More fatherland.. Check..

Foreign Mercenary phalanxes... check!!!

Frenchmen, as magnanimous warriors...  Uhhm, ok.. Check!



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"I don't really like the Marseillaise, a bit "over patriotic" for me."

You hate your own anthem for being patriotic???

What other one would you have?  

"France is my country and it's just ok!" [/B]


LOL Just determined to take on the french today aren't we?

Pick one dogma and stick with it is my suggestion...

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« Reply #58 on: August 30, 2004, 03:47:33 AM »
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"I don't really like the Marseillaise, a bit "over patriotic" for me."

You hate your own anthem for being patriotic???

What other one would you have?  

"France is my country and it's just ok!"


Hmmm ?
How can "I don't really like my anthem" be equal to "I hate my anthem" ?


I think the current EU anthem : "Ode à la joie" by Ludwig van Beethoven (IX symphony) is better  :

Joy, Oh ! divine scintillation
Sparkling from Elysium,
With a cheerful animation
Goddess, to thy shrine we come.

These our nations once divided
Now your magic spells unite,
Where your wing does beat around them
Brotherhood and love delight.

With a kiss bestowed on millions
Embraced in fraternity,
Let us build a world of union
And peace for all humanity

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« Reply #59 on: August 30, 2004, 03:49:24 AM »
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/243/world/France_says_no_to_kidnappers_d:.shtml

Apparently not - sorry to dissapoint all those narrow minded little bigots and their wannabe followers......hey lets forget about the people who are held hostage and are about to be killed, just spill your bile because France's politicians gave you some good advice and refused to be bullied into a pointless waste of a war.

Gosh double standards on the AH BBS - who would have thought!!