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Offline -MZ-

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« Reply #105 on: September 02, 2004, 04:02:06 PM »
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What do you guys think about all the farm jobs we lost in past 100 years because technology made them unncesasry? Was America destroyed?


We should have lost nearly all of them, but our farm subsidies have managed to destroy competition abroad and brought a swarm of illegals here.

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« Reply #106 on: September 02, 2004, 04:05:54 PM »
Wait.... MZ are you saying we don't subscribe to "free trade" when it comes to farming?

I'm shocked.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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« Reply #107 on: September 02, 2004, 06:25:14 PM »
I've been away. Does anyone have a text of the speech or even better a copied webcast of it?

Google has just given me commentary.

Cheers!

ravs

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« Reply #108 on: September 02, 2004, 07:02:19 PM »
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I've been away. Does anyone have a text of the speech or even better a copied webcast of it?

Google has just given me commentary.

Cheers!

ravs


look at the 2nd page of this thread, I posted it there
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« Reply #109 on: September 02, 2004, 07:03:40 PM »
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I've been away. Does anyone have a text of the speech or even better a copied webcast of it?

Google has just given me commentary.

Cheers!

ravs


It was a great speech, regardless of your views.  It's too bad there isn't an audio link.  The transcript doesn't do it justice.

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« Reply #110 on: September 02, 2004, 07:19:26 PM »
It's on http://www.foxnews.com is you can force yourself to go there :)
Video

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« Reply #111 on: September 02, 2004, 07:27:51 PM »
well doc.. I suppose that I am missing the point... are you saying that joining the military to get an education should guarentee you a great job for the rest of your life?   Was the whole time just a waste of a few years if you don't?  

Your heart must really bleed for them poor buggy whip makers who spent years as aprentices and now....

construction is about dead too as a high paying job... when I was younger you could make a bunch as a simple laboror or painter.   Now... we have people willing to do the grunt work of sheetrock and paint and all for $10 an hour.  I made more than that 30 years ago.

If your friends skills are so easily taken over by cheap labor....

there aint nothin the government can do to protect them... not for long anyway.

I know that is probly not a popular sentiment on this board with so many technicals but it is the facts... if your job can be done by someone for cheaper... it probly will be.   Your education gives you a chance to compete... nothing more.   The guy who works harder and does the same thing for less is gonna bump you off the ladder.   You need a new path (mixing metaphors here).

you can't make buggy whips or be a sheetrocker or taper or painter or even a roofer anymore and expect to get top dollar in a lot/most of areas.  

You can be a techie and work for microsoft and get rich still tho.  

you can still do really well in construction... just not the same old ways.

lazs

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« Reply #112 on: September 02, 2004, 07:31:24 PM »
Arrgh! Can't find it on the fox news site, Gyro...do you have a more specific link? I did a search in the site 'Arnold speech' and got lots of commentary again.

yours in frustration,

Ravs

Eagler...I read the transcript, and it is indeed a terrific speech, but I want to hold fire until I've seen the delivery (if I can) I'll keep trying to find it.

Ravs

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« Reply #113 on: September 02, 2004, 07:38:52 PM »
It was under video last night. Don't see it now.

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« Reply #114 on: September 02, 2004, 07:53:40 PM »
OK, then I'll go by the transcript Eagler posted. (thanks for looking again, Gyro)

It seems to me that this is a speech given by someone who wants to be the next republican president after Bush. I found it self serving to Arnold in every possible way. Sure, he stroked your feathers as a country (as he should), but in the end it said these things:

1. I was an immigrant and I came to America.
2. By dint of hard work I did well.
3. I hate terrorism.
4. Oh, and by the way, I think George Bush is a good President.

I don't mean to decry his sincerity, but in many ways his speech seperates him from Bush: I was poor (Bush wasn't), I was an immigrant (Bush wasn't), I worked hard to get where I am today (Bush didn't). It's an incredibly cunning speech.

My views of Arnold? Well, he is hardworking and ambitious and most of all he had some lucky breaks (there are many who emigrate to countries who work very hard and end up with broken dreams). That said, I don't see him as an analyst. I do think that if he can pull off the trick of being the next republican president, he'll really have done something special.

Arnold poses a peculiar problem for the Republicans. He was made by Hollywood, but from what I can see, most of Hollywood are left wing by nature and the Republicans tend to belittle 'Hollywood actor views'. It will be interesting to see how he casts off that cloak, because if he does, my word...it will be that film come true (Back to the Future?), where Arnold IS the president of America!

Ravs

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« Reply #115 on: September 02, 2004, 07:59:13 PM »
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I do think that if he can pull off the trick of being the next republican president, he'll really have done something special.

 


He sure would have done something special, since an immigrant can't be President.

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« Reply #116 on: September 02, 2004, 08:01:29 PM »
Not even an immigrant who has obtained citizenship?

:confused:

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« Reply #117 on: September 02, 2004, 08:02:07 PM »
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Not even an immigrant who has obtained citizenship?

:confused:

Ravs


Nope.

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« Reply #118 on: September 02, 2004, 08:04:01 PM »
So why is he trying to distance himself from Bush?

The speech reeks of it.

Ravs

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« Reply #119 on: September 02, 2004, 08:04:36 PM »
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So why is he trying to distance himself from Bush?

The speech reeks of it.

Ravs


I didn't get that from the speech at all.