Arnold's speech..

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by GScholz
Why? I think given the same time and job as Arnold, your father probably would speak perfect English.

Your unbelivable ignorance pissses me off.

[Thrawn]

...so basically Arnold is nothing but a cut-and-paster...

[Sandman]

chortle...


A most excellent troll, Gscholz...

[Saurdaukar]

You go GS!  You tell those immigrant bastards!  You dont speak English without an accent - youre a NOBODY!

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by GScholz
Well ... I'm not going to comment on your wife. I'd just insult you.

This has nothing to do with "tolerance", but with believability.


No Nuke, his points are not invalidated, but they're not his points and when he is a liar by proffession (actor) he naturally can make it very belivable and ... great. Just like Reagan did. That doesn't mean what he says has any more merit than what for instance what your President could blunder his way through in a speech.

It WAS a great speech, and I had lots of fun lintening to him play the audience like ... I do, when I make print commercials at work.

Isult away.  It still shows that you are an intolerant bigot.  After living in arizona for 5 years I do not just naturally expect people to speak my language.....that is errogant.  

my wife may not speak perfect english but she is at least bilingual wich makes her better than me in that aspect.

[Toad]

Again, the burden of proof would be upon you.

What did he say that you find fraudulent? Or are you just saying that if he espoused any of his parties ideas, that that was fraud?

Or are you just so nihilistic that you can't imagine someone who is not?

[GRUNHERZ]

Nice GS, Arnold's whole life story in America is invalidated and "worthless" becausse he gave a political speech and because he speaks with an accent.

[JBA]

.... finally arrived here in 1968. ........... The presidential campaign was in full swing. ......watching the Nixon and Humphrey.......  
I heard Humphrey saying things that sounded like socialism, ................I heard Nixon speak. He was talking about free enterprise, getting government off your back, lowering taxes and strengthening the military. Listening to Nixon speak sounded more like a breath of fresh air.

I said to my friend, "What party is he?" My friend said, "He's a Republican." I said, "Then I am a Republican.......
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My wife is from the former USSR. Been here 7 years. She said the same thing to me when she heard the Democrats speak. Things like "Universal Heathcare, Welfare, taxation for intitlement programs..etc.  all adds up to socialism.

[JBA]

GScholz   is jealous  GScholz is jealous..nener nener.  

[Gyro/T69]

"he did not write the speech himself."

Do the names Sorenson or Goodwin mean anything to you?

[RTStuka]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Whatever anyone else says I will tell you as an immigrant and as one who came here with the experience of communism as a child that he was spot on perfectly accuarte as to my feelings about this great country.

God Bless America!

I had no idea you were an immigrant Grun, not as an insult at all but with your political stance I thought you had been born and raised in a hardcore republican family and community. Again Im not trying to be insulting infact I think its great that someone who came and achieved the American dream is willing to stand up for Americas values.

[senna]

Anold was awsome. He reminded me of JFK.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

GS, all politicians are actors. Good or bad actors, doesn't matter. Its all about getting the public on your side, and thats acting. I don't believe thats the way to approach serious matters, but unfortunately thats where we in America are at. If it weren't for acting, popularity would be nill - and in the present thats what gets politicians elected.
-SW

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by GScholz
My comment on Arnold's bad English was in context with my point that he did not write the speech himself. But by all means, go ahead and take it personal. It was expected.

Politician ... check.

Actor ... check.

Speechwriter ... check.

Cheering crowds ... check.

Me laughing ... check.

I'll wait for the live telecasted debates.

Why wait for the debates?  How are they more valid, more pure or meaningful? I'm sure that somebody who acts so smug and smart and informed as you so often do surely knows of the extensive preperation, coaching and debate simulation on every issue and question the candidates recieve before the actual debates. Seeing how critical you are of speech preperation i'm sure you will be equally enthisiastc in denouncing the effects of debate prep..

And you are damn right, it is personal, you insulted the man because of his heavy accent and then more than that.  Arnold's story is very much like my father's, they both came here with almost nothing and they both embraced America's full opportunities to succed and improve their lives.  Sure arnold is much wealthier and more famous than my father, but I consider it that they had essientaly the same basic story. And yes, they both speak with a heavy accent. So damn right I do take it poersonally, both for attacking his accent and saying his life story was wortless and a fraud just because he made a political speech.

You really seem to have no idea what America is all about.

[Gyro/T69]

""he did not write the speech himself."

Do the names Sorenson or Goodwin mean anything to you?
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Emm ... no. Should they?"



Goggle them with JFK and see what you find.