Micheal Moore on Israel

[midnight Target]

Well I got to hand it to you guys.. Coolridr, JBA.. you have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that what you think he said is what you believe he said. Well done.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Coolridr
It's all outlined in my source...He sees Americans as Dumb, Theiving, conniving and so on.....I define that as hate for his own people. If he disslikes us so much then now that he's got so much of our money maybe he should buy an island and LEAVE.

Got a direct quote?


He's obviously not supportive of Israel. Good for him. I don't give a rat's bellybutton about Israel either.

[Coolridr]

Everyones words are interpreted differently by eveyone who hears/reads them. It's hard to tell what anyone REALLY means. Thats my take on what he himself has written. He also contradicts himself a few other places....watch the trailer for the movie linked below...especially the part where he says he won't do an interview because he doesn't appear in anyone elsed movies.

MMHatesAmerica

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Coolridr
Everyones words are interpreted differently by eveyone who hears/reads them. It's hard to tell what anyone REALLY means. Thats my take on what he himself has written.

It's extremely difficult to tell what someone meant when the only source you have is someone else's interpretation.

[Karnak]

Why do Conservatives like putting words in other's mouths and then getting enraged by the words they themselves made up?

It just seems like a silly way to go about your life to me.

[Wotan]

Ed Koch (ex-mayor of NYC) has endorsed Bush. He is a liberal Democrat. The RNC are hoping to get around 30% of the Jewish vote. Koch hopes it’s around 50% and says GWB deserve that much for his support for Israel and for his confrontation of Islamic terrorism.

A lot of American Jews are liberal so I doubt Bush will get 50% but anything above the 19% he got last election definitely helps him. Especially here in Florida where there's a large section of retired Jews.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Wotan
Ed Koch (ex-mayor of NYC) has endorsed Bush. He is a liberal Democrat. The RNC are hoping to get around 30% of the Jewish vote. Koch hopes it’s around 50% and says GWB deserve that much for his support for Israel and for his confrontation of Islamic terrorism.

I'm glad to see that Koch understands what the Iraq war was all about.

[Coolridr]

Originally posted by Sandman
I'm glad to see that Koch understands what the Iraq war was all about.

Where does Koch state what the Iraq war is about? Are you putting words in his mouth now?

[GRUNHERZ]

Here is the full text of the New York Times article:

All Hail Moore
By DAVID BROOKS

Published: June 26, 2004

Columnist Page: David Brooks
Forum: Discuss This Column

E-mail: dabrooks@nytimes.com

In years past, American liberals have had to settle for intellectual and moral leadership from the likes of John Dewey, Reinhold Niebuhr and Martin Luther King Jr. But now, a grander beacon has appeared on the mountaintop, and from sea to shining sea, tens of thousands have joined in the adulation.

So it is worth taking a moment to study the metaphysics of Michael Moore. For Moore is not only a filmmaker; he is a man of ideas, and his work is based on an actual worldview.

Like Hemingway, Moore does his boldest thinking while abroad. For example, it was during an interview with the British paper The Mirror that Moore unfurled what is perhaps the central insight of his oeuvre, that Americans are kind of crappy.

"They are possibly the dumbest people on the planet . . . in thrall to conniving, thieving smug [pieces of the human anatomy]," Moore intoned. "We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don't know about anything that's happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing."

It transpires that Europeans are quite excited to hear this supple description of the American mind. And Moore has been kind enough to crisscross the continent, speaking to packed lecture halls, explicating the general vapidity and crassness of his countrymen. "That's why we're smiling all the time," he told a rapturous throng in Munich. "You can see us coming down the street. You know, `Hey! Hi! How's it going?' We've got that big [expletive] grin on our face all the time because our brains aren't loaded down."

Naturally, the people from the continent that brought us Descartes, Kant and Goethe are fascinated by these insights. Moore's books have sold faster there than at home. No American intellectual is taken so seriously in Europe, save perhaps the great Chomsky.

Before a delighted Cambridge crowd, Moore reflected on the tragedy of human existence: "You're stuck with being connected to this country of mine, which is known for bringing sadness and misery to places around the globe." In Liverpool, he paused to contemplate the epicenters of evil in the modern world: "It's all part of the same ball of wax, right? The oil companies, Israel, Halliburton."

In the days after Sept. 11, while others were disoriented, Moore was able to see clearly: "We, the United States of America, are culpable in committing so many acts of terror and bloodshed that we had better get a clue about the culture of violence in which we have been active participants."

This leads to Michael Moore's global plan of action. "Don't be like us," he told a crowd in Berlin. "You've got to stand up, right? You've got to be brave."

In an open letter to the German people in Die Zeit, Moore asked, "Should such an ignorant people lead the world?" Then he began to reflect on things economic. His central insight here is that the American economy, like its people, is pretty crappy, too: "Don't go the American way when it comes to economics, jobs and services for the poor and immigrants. It is the wrong way."

In an interview with a Japanese newspaper, Moore helped citizens of that country understand why the United States went to war in Iraq: "The motivation for war is simple. The U.S. government started the war with Iraq in order to make it easy for U.S. corporations to do business in other countries. They intend to use cheap labor in those countries, which will make Americans rich."

But venality doesn't come up when he writes about those who are killing Americans in Iraq: "The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not `insurgents' or `terrorists' or `The Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow — and they will win." Until then, few social observers had made the connection between Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Paul Revere.

So we have our Sartre. And the liberal grandees Arthur Schlesinger, Ted Sorenson, Tom Harkin and Barbara Boxer flock to his openings. In Washington, a Senate vote was delayed because so many Democrats wanted to see his movie.

The standards of socially acceptable liberal opinion have shifted. We're a long way from John Dewey.

Perhaps inspired by Moore, I got a fact wrong in my previous column. Bill Clinton did not win the evangelical vote in 1992 and 1996. I had relied on a report that was later corrected.

Looks like many accurate direct quotes.

But I understand that yoiu need to keep pretending that Moore isnt what he so obviously is...

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Coolridr
Where does Koch state what the Iraq war is about? Are you putting words in his mouth now?

I was interpreting what he meant. He alluded to it.

[Coolridr]

Originally posted by Sandman
I was interpreting what he meant. He alluded to it.

HA! I knew it!:lol

[Wotan]

Originally posted by Sandman
I'm glad to see that Koch understands what the Iraq war was all about.

Saddam was paying money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.  Even if Saddam didn’t directly order those types of bombings his support for the families of the bombers more then likely helped to encourage a few.

Regardless of the US / GWB's motivation the removal of Saddam was a good thing, not only for Israel but for the Iraqi's themselves.

If your reply will be "well it's not worth the cost in American loves and dollars" then I refer you to history, so far it’s been relatively cheap.

If your reply will be "That's not why GWB went to war" then I say "so what” Saddam being gone is still a "good thing"

If your reply will be "Halliburton, War for Oil" again so what?

BTW I didn’t vote for GWB and don’t plan on it this time either. Nor would I be considered "a friend of Israel". Also, I am not a Christian.

I am just covering the obvious lib replies since I may not get back to this thread any time soon.

[-MZ-]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Here is the full text of the New York Times article:
 

That is an Op-Ed that appeared in the New York Times, not a New York Times article.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Wotan
I am just covering the obvious lib replies since I may not get back to this thread any time soon.

Well... hell... glad we could had his discussion. I look forward to what I'll say next.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by -MZ-
That is an Op-Ed that appeared in the New York Times, not a New York Times article.

LOL, you are desperate to deny and marginalize this to no end...  

Go ahead, it only makes youy look more and moore and mooore foollish..